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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby Elad » Fri Feb 02, 2024 10:33 am

In direct experience here and now I never find a separate self. Not now. Not the last time I looked. Not the time before that.

None of my reactions are chosen. They appear by themselves. This is quite clear and consistent.
Beautiful. Any unfulfilled expectations at this point about what seeing through the separate self will be like? List them please, if any.

Could these expectations ever be more then fabrications of mind?

Could expectations ever see reality/wholeness or equal reality/wholeness?

Is there any feeling or thought or pattern that is not the spontaneous selfless expression of the whole?

These expectations will never be fulfilled, never be reality - how does it feel to read that, what comes up? Invite every feeling and reaction to be there and express itself as fully as possible.
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Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby OpenAwareing » Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:00 am

Unfulfilled expectations?

Perhaps wishes, not expectations. Wish that the tendency to identify as a separate self would vanish, or at least diminish. Wish that triggers would be fewer or less powerful.

I suppose wishes must be fabrications of the mind.

All emotions, sensations and thoughts just arise spontaneously.

These expectations will never be fulfilled. Hmmm. I've been working with just accepting that nothing is better than anything else. From this perspective, having wishes that are unfulfilled is no better or worse than not having unfulfilled wishes. And from this perspective, why have wishes at all? Clearly, ego still believes this is better than that. Ego still has wishes. Awareness, true self, knows that nothing is better than just this.

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby Elad » Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:21 am

Unfulfilled expectations?

Perhaps wishes, not expectations. Wish that the tendency to identify as a separate self would vanish, or at least diminish. Wish that triggers would be fewer or less powerful.

I suppose wishes must be fabrications of the mind.

All emotions, sensations and thoughts just arise spontaneously.

These expectations will never be fulfilled. Hmmm. I've been working with just accepting that nothing is better than anything else. From this perspective, having wishes that are unfulfilled is no better or worse than not having unfulfilled wishes. And from this perspective, why have wishes at all? Clearly, ego still believes this is better than that. Ego still has wishes. Awareness, true self, knows that nothing is better than just this.
Good looking!

Now, it is not that unhelpful beliefs cannot be seen through more, or that unhelpful reactions can't be let go of more. It is that none of this indicate a separate self. After this is seen clearly, a process continues of seeing through and letting go of unhelpful patterns, alone and with others (conventionally speaking). Preferences and hopes don't go away and don't need to. First step is to see clearly all this happens by itself. After we will talk about how ongoing natural further clarification can continue.

Please watch this video: https://youtu.be/z2g4qaDGpTU?si=wwDMLnZ-X2N-ZRXc

Then do this exercise:

Explore ‘Sense of Self’

Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken. This is just like that. You may see clearly that the self is an illusion but still feel a sense of self - just like the keys. But feeling something to be true and seeing that it is or is not is different. This is why we may find ourselves coming back to your expectations at the start and at the end.

Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it.

Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:-

Does the sense of self have a location?

Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?

Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?

If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?

What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby OpenAwareing » Wed Feb 07, 2024 6:49 am

Thanks for the youtube video. It confirms a lot of my current experience. Most especially:

Have I truly seen through the illusion of a sense of self? Yes. When this happens, I know what is real. Just this. Just the arising and passing of everything, in awareness. Thoughts, beliefs are seen as not real, not substantially true, just thoughts and beliefs. "Don't know" is a powerful pointer for me, sometimes leading to wonder. There is a sense of freedom, no identification with an actor.

This is only my experience during meditation. Still, it is quite something that this is in fact my experience during meditation! At other times I am like the man looking for the keys. Thanks for that paragraph. I'm glad you know what I mean when I say, " but there still SEEMS to be a self".

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby Elad » Wed Feb 07, 2024 9:45 am

Thanks for the youtube video. It confirms a lot of my current experience. Most especially:

Have I truly seen through the illusion of a sense of self? Yes. When this happens, I know what is real. Just this. Just the arising and passing of everything, in awareness. Thoughts, beliefs are seen as not real, not substantially true, just thoughts and beliefs. "Don't know" is a powerful pointer for me, sometimes leading to wonder. There is a sense of freedom, no identification with an actor.

This is only my experience during meditation. Still, it is quite something that this is in fact my experience during meditation! At other times I am like the man looking for the keys. Thanks for that paragraph. I'm glad you know what I mean when I say, " but there still SEEMS to be a self".

Appreciate the clarity and honesty! We might be getting ready for final questions to you that are then also reviewed by other guides. But before, lets look at least a little more at the seeming me.

Would you write me about the seeming you? What thoughts, imagines, sensations, situations it is? When is it most seemingly real? Write without censoring and with feelings, don't let this one be detached.

And also, what would be most resisted to be let go of, be most sad to be let go of, in terms of seeming you? Again, with feeling, with strict honesty.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby OpenAwareing » Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:52 am

I have two online retreats scheduled for Feb 9-13 and 16-20. I don't know if I'll have time to write before the 21st. I'll do my best.

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby OpenAwareing » Fri Feb 09, 2024 3:05 am

The Seeming Me is here all the time, unless I'm engaged in a spiritual practice and thus engaged in Inquiry. From the time I wake up until the time I go to bed, all my thoughts refer to a Seeming Self. All my emotional reactions and triggers occur when I interact with others, and a Seeming Self wants to get or avoid something.Unless I'm practicing, all my bodily reactions also seem to be happening to this Seeming Self.
I'd be happy to let go of all of this! I'd be happy to just see the thoughts as thoughts all the time, and to see emotions and body sensations the same way.
Some people I know, very few, report a sense of really not being emotionally engaged any more. This seems to be unsettling to them.I'm a bit wary of such a state, but I'm not expecting it to show up for me anytime soon.

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby Elad » Fri Feb 09, 2024 12:05 pm

The Seeming Me is here all the time, unless I'm engaged in a spiritual practice and thus engaged in Inquiry. From the time I wake up until the time I go to bed, all my thoughts refer to a Seeming Self. All my emotional reactions and triggers occur when I interact with others, and a Seeming Self wants to get or avoid something.Unless I'm practicing, all my bodily reactions also seem to be happening to this Seeming Self.
I'd be happy to let go of all of this! I'd be happy to just see the thoughts as thoughts all the time, and to see emotions and body sensations the same way.
Some people I know, very few, report a sense of really not being emotionally engaged any more. This seems to be unsettling to them.I'm a bit wary of such a state, but I'm not expecting it to show up for me anytime soon.
Ok, good good. I recommend you to dig more into what about self is hardest to let go of. Is it the self that is loved? The self that is secure? The self that is/will be comfortable and safe? The self that will have guarantee for knowledge and clarity? The self that is special and contributes uniquely? The self that is sincere and serious and to be taken seriously? And dig in even more on a personal level! And don't try to get rid of any of it right now. Just uncover more of what it is you don't want hold on to - even in the form a future spiritual no-self-self to be achieved. Dig more. What are the beliefs and preferences that are being held on to. And in the retreats dig into: IS there a self at all? Is there any doubt at all? Is there anyone to be found who is controlling what is happening in thoughts, feelings, actions, states?

Don't aim to improve the dream. Aim for one moment where it is clear beyond any doubt that it was all a dream and you can say it without hesitation.
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby Elad » Wed Aug 07, 2024 11:53 am

Hi Eric, checking in, how are you, how is the process?
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)

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Re: Beginning Anew

Postby Elad » Sat May 17, 2025 10:47 am

Dear guidees,

I will be taking a month of vacation, including from guiding, from May 26th to June 27th. You might want to use the time until May 26th to inquire with great wholeheartedness and beginners mind, maybe "the Gateless Gate will be passed". You might also want to update both of us on where you are in the process, and what is experienced as your wishes and needs now, if any - happy to hear from you before I leave. If during my vacation you feel a need to be supported by an LU guide, two of my trusted fellow guides will be available. During that period, contacting them might also be an opportunity to the get a different input - we never know what input, what energy, will suddenly make what is clear clear.

Fellow guides:

Alan: alan.home.mailbox@gmail.com
Becca: becca@supportedawakening.com

🙏
With love,
Elad

Keep me away from the wisdom which does not cry, the philosophy which does not laugh and the greatness which does not bow before children.

- Kahlil Gibran

One gets there by being there.

- Master Woof (Gilbert, Ta Hui)


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