Liberation

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb
Awesome! Here are the final questions. Please answer all questions in full, when you are ready.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!

I hope everything is going awesome!

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

There is no “self”, “me”, “I” anywhere, in any way shape or form. There has never been one.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

The illusion of separate self are thoughts/thinking creates the illusion of a me/self separate from what is. It starts when the thought I/me is believed creating the illusion that there is a someone or something separate from what is happening. It also seems that there is a center from which everything is experience.

3) How does it feel to see this?

Sometimes it makes me laugh when is clear that there is only this, what is happening and that is simple. I am more in the senses than lost in thinking but in general it does not feel much different. Emotions, fears, pains, preferences arise as before.

What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

The difference is that inquiring into the nature of DE experience has become stronger, it is done more often. Emotions are felt stronger than before, sometimes, but they don’t last as long and are forgotten faster. Experiencing DE experience through the sense has taken more priority than thinking.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Being uncomfortable, resistance, is always what pushes me to look into DE. Is a constant remainder to look deeper.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Decisions are not made; things happen when they happened. Lately in experience what is happening is that when something is not meant to be done then it is not done, it cannot be force by thinking, and all of a sudden it gets done.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

There is the thought of intent to do things, but things happen when they happened, it seems that everything comes together for things to be the way they are. Intent is a thought that comes along with everything else.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Free will is the thought “I” did this or “I” am going to do that but there is no one doing or deciding things. Also, everything arises together for things to be the way they are, there is no one separate from everything that is doing something.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

There is no “me” or “I” choosing, this is thinking and arises after the thing is referring to as choice already happened. It arises with everything else, there is no separation.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

Control is thinking that what is happening can be change or manipulated in any way, which is not possible because is already happening. Also thought is always out of sink, comes way to late to the party so to speak.

What makes things happen?

Things happened, there is nothing that makes them happened, they just are.

How does it work?

I have no clue how it works; it is a mystery. Something to explore in DE.

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

There is no one responsible. There is the thought “I am responsible” but it appears with the rest of experience as a thought.

6) Anything to add?

Is there a way to make the inquiry stronger faster or it will all happened on its own?

Thank you for your time and the pointing it has been very helpful!

Love

Deneb

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb

6) Anything to add?

Is there a way to make the inquiry stronger faster or it will all happened on its own?

Well check for yourself...Was there anything/anyone that made the inquiry until now or it happened on its own? Look now, is there anything that is separate and inquiring? Does it matter if it's going to go faster, stronger or slower? To whom is that problem?
Resistance and fear are pointers to what still needs to be checked. These are your best friends when it comes to inquiry. When resistance drops, it is replaced with surrendering to THIS. Peace is when there is no resistance to what is already happening.

Love
Rali

[poppyseed]

Hi Deneb
Welcome home!

Thank you for your beautiful answers! I really enjoyed reading them! It has been such a pleasure to walk beside you through the gateless gate! Your openness and willingness to look were simply awesome and made guiding you a joy.

You will receive an email notifying you of a PM from the forum, inviting you to join LU's Facebook groups. It also has other information that might be of interest to you. I will inbox you my contact details if you want to stay in touch. If you have any questions, just ask, or you can drop a line on your thread here and I will respond.

Your username will change from green to blue which indicates that you have had the realisation of no separate self. This thread will be moved to the ‘Archive’ section of the forum, but you will be able to access it.

Please don’t forget that this is just the beginning of exploring. It’s the beginning of cleaning up of all sorts of old beliefs. Emotions and feelings can show up to be seen and felt, so don’t stop looking! Please feel free to contact me, so we can have a look together, if you like.

You can still answer the questions in my previous reply if you like :)
Love
Rali

[TheUnborn]

Hi Rali!

I hope you are doing great!

Was there anything/anyone that made the inquiry until now or it happened on its own?

There was not anything/anyone that made the inquiry until now, it happens on its own.

Look now, is there anything that is separate and inquiring?

Haha, yes there is no one/nothing that is separate and inquiring.

Does it matter if it's going to go faster, stronger or slower?

After writing the question this exact question appear in my thinking. An the answer was it does not matter if it is faster, stronger or slower.

To whom is that problem?

To no one is the problem. It is just thinking/thought.

Thank you very much for all your time. It was very helpful all the pointing, and it also was a pleasure to go through the process with you!

If I have any questions, I’ll write you an email or drop a line on my thread.

Thanks again!

Love!
Deneb