questions for life

[warissem]

Hi Helga

Why? Because society treats me as an identity. There is this playing according to their rules.

Is this playing You or it is just seen as a role ?

So there is this feeling of being what they see in me.

“what they see in me” is a thought. A feeling is a sensation on which a thought is put. You can play with the same sensation and give another name.

Who? Nobody. Of course nobody. At the core there is this emptiness. This emptiness helps to stay in the moment.

This awareness is always in the moment and there is no one to stay in the moment.

There never was one. But this shift to realize this through and through has not yet arisen.

Seeing that there is no you is the shift itself. Being is, knowing is, seeing is.
Is there a you to realize a shift or to be liberated ?

Too often there is this train of thoughts that dominates. Your input gives a lot of clarity. "I" work with your pointers the whole day and try to always concentrate on direct experience.

The train of thoughts is as are the appearances : there is no one dominated. Thoughts are like clouds : sometimes the sun is veiled but clouds are seen because of the sunlight (the sun is still above clouds). Don’t worry about thoughts, they come and they go, don’t take the train of thoughts. Stay at the station, don’t take the train.

Thank you so much for the time you spend with me.

You are welcome.

It must be frustrating sometimes. What shall "I" do when not passing through the gate? Shall "I" just stop bothering you? You have given the experiences and the questions. This organism here typing will work on that and is confidently awaiting your answer.

There is no gate to pass through, and there is no you to go through it. Awareness is here now all time along. Is "all what is written" outside awareness ? Are thoughts outside awareness ?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Questioning]

Hi Warissem,

Is this playing You or it is just seen as a role ?

A role

Is there a you to realize a shift or to be liberated ?

No. There is no you to realize or to be liberated. No one is there.
Your guidance is so helpful! It gives security when there is this (my) tendency arising to put the "I" on top of everything.
It's so well trained in me. It needs a process of unlearning.

The train of thoughts is as are the appearances : there is no one dominated. Thoughts are like clouds : sometimes the sun is veiled but clouds are seen because of the sunlight (the sun is still above clouds). Don’t worry about thoughts, they come and they go, don’t take the train of thoughts. Stay at the station, don’t take the train.

There is happiness in me reading this! So great and wonderful to read.

There is no gate to pass through, and there is no you to go through it. Awareness is here now all time along. Is "all what is written" outside awareness ? Are thoughts outside awareness ?

No, everything is in awareness. It's so clear. Awareness is the soil, the thoughts are like the plants. They need the soil to come in existence. The soil doesn't need the plants.


Best wishes
Hel

[warissem]

Good evening

No. There is no you to realize or to be liberated. No one is there.

Great

Your guidance is so helpful! It gives security when there is this (my) tendency arising to put the "I" on top of everything. It's so well trained in me. It needs a process of unlearning.

Yes, there is a process going on.

There is happiness in me reading this! So great and wonderful to read.

I am glad to see this answer. Something beautiful is happening.

No, everything is in awareness. It's so clear. Awareness is the soil, the thoughts are like the plants. They need the soil to come in existence. The soil doesn't need the plants.

Don't compare thoughts to plants but they can be compared to perfumes (good and bad) :the perfume comes and goes, it is subtle like thoughts.

If you don't have any doubt or any question, let me know and will ask the final questions.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Questioning]

Hi Warissem,

Don't compare thoughts to plants but they can be compared to perfumes (good and bad) :the perfume comes and goes, it is subtle like thoughts.

Exactly. Plants were not a good example as they are rooted and intertwined with the soil. Something in the air like perfumes or all kind of clouds easily coming and going is a more appropriate metaphor.

For my understanding passing the final questions is a step showing that there is enough clarity to be able to guide.
There is not enough clarity in me concerning the final questions.
In a deep sense there's no you and no me and nobody else.
But "I" can't explain that and it's not my moment to moment experience. It's more like it can't be any different. "I" lack this inner security that you have.
Guilt is in my thoughts but it is impossible that guilt exists. Who would be guilty if nothing exists on its own? If there is no doer.
The answers should be clearer in me. Otherwise it's just arguments or logic. The final questions are kind of a proof and they need an honest answer coming from a clear background. So often there is this telling of a shift. No shift happened to me.

There is this deep trust in you. Your answers make me happy. There is nobody! Never was, never will be! So great. How did this clarity come into your life? It's like a little light in the dark showing which direction to go. There is nobody. So great. No one ever made a mistake and no one ever did great deeds. It just happened and it is only thoughts anyway. But how to dissolve into this
permanent clarity?

Best wishes
Hel

[warissem]

Hi Helga

Exactly. Plants were not a good example as they are rooted and intertwined with the soil. Something in the air like perfumes or all kind of clouds easily coming and going is a more appropriate metaphor.

Yes, “clouds” sounds better.

For my understanding passing the final questions is a step showing that there is enough clarity to be able to guide.

No, the final questions are not a final point of this dialog : the honest answers to them make me know where are you at, about this stuff. If I see, that it needs more seeking, I will continue the dialog. If I see that you are clear, I ask other guides to look at your answers and give their opinion.

There is not enough clarity in me concerning the final questions.

What is “enough clarity” for you ? What are you expecting to happen after seeing the truth ?

In a deep sense there's no you and no me and nobody else.
But "I" can't explain that and it's not my moment to moment experience.

Being aware is the moment to moment experience : it cannot be veiled by thoughts nor any appearance. Do you see that ?

It's more like it can't be any different.

Yes, there is no difference before seeing through the illusion and after seeing : the old beliefs, the innate and acquired conditionings continue to operate. Before, there is identification to the beliefs, to conditionings (it is me), now these beliefs and conditionings (arising as thoughts, emotions, feelings, sensations) are seen as they are : coming and going. Are you here with me ?

"I" lack this inner security that you have.

This is a thought story, do you see it ?

Guilt is in my thoughts but it is impossible that guilt exists. Who would be guilty if nothing exists on its own? If there is no doer.

Do you have a doubt about the doer ? Just look at your daily activities and try to find it.

The answers should be clearer in me. Otherwise it's just arguments or logic. The final questions are kind of a proof and they need an honest answer coming from a clear background. So often there is this telling of a shift. No shift happened to me.

About the shift : before the seeing through the illusion, Helga is seeking for truth. After seeing through the illusion, Helga is seen as an object. And “Helga is seeking” is seen as a nonsense. Do you agree with this ? If it is OK, everything is in the right place.

There is this deep trust in you. Your answers make me happy. There is nobody! Never was, never will be! So great. How did this clarity come into your life? It's like a little light in the dark showing which direction to go. There is nobody. So great. No one ever made a mistake and no one ever did great deeds. It just happened and it is only thoughts anyway. But how to dissolve into this permanent clarity?

In one side you say there is nobody here. In another side you speak about me (Warissem) as a person showing the road. Have you seen the emptiness of self in other people ? in trees ? in animals ? Look.
There is no one to dissolve in clarity. Being aware is the clarity, unveiled clarity. Can you get out from this clarity ? Can you avoid hearing ? can you avoid sensations ? Can you avoid some thoughts ? Clarity is permanent, total acceptance of all the happenings. All resistance, shame, guilt, not acceptance, beliefs, conditionings, identification, labeling, … are thoughts stories. Always come back to direct experience. Be aware of lies and catch them.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Questioning]

Hi Warissem,

What is “enough clarity” for you ?

Living equanimity.

What are you expecting to happen after seeing the truth ?

Equanimity

Being aware is the moment to moment experience : it cannot be veiled by thoughts nor any appearance. Do you see that ?

Yes. No chance living anything else than the present moment.

Before, there is identification to the beliefs, to conditionings (it is me), now these beliefs and conditionings (arising as thoughts, emotions, feelings, sensations) are seen as they are : coming and going. Are you here with me ?

Yes, thoughts are always there and very often the same ones but they are not permanent.

I" lack this inner security that you have

.
This is a thought story, do you see it ?

Yes

Do you have a doubt about the doer ? Just look at your daily activitias and try to find it.

Only in thoughts. The "doer" is thought.

Helga is seen as an object. And “Helga is seeking” is seen as a nonsense. Do you agree with this ?

Yes

In one side you say there is nobody here. In another side you speak about me (Warissem) as a person showing the road.

This is the problem. This "nobody" and "somebody" is exactly what changes in me. It's not stable.

Have you seen the emptiness of self in other people ? in trees ? in animals ? Look.

No. Not seen. This is only a thought that comes to me as a consequence: Emptiness is radical. No me no others. That simple. Just life in the present moment. In myself there exists (unstable) these moments of emptiness. Later (when thoughts come in) there is this thought that this emptiness can't be any different in other people.

There is no one to dissolve in clarity. Being aware is the clarity, unveiled clarity. Can you get out from this clarity ?

No

Can you avoid hearing ?

No

can you avoid sensations ?

No

Can you avoid some thoughts ?

No

Best wishes
Hel

[warissem]

Hi Helga

After having read your post, I see that it is seen through the belief of a separate self. I want you to know that it is a beginning of a process of deconstructing beliefs. Many insights may happen after this seeing. Flip flopping between the old and the new perspective is ordinary.

These are six questions, look at them and give answers through direct experience : elaborate on each of them (yes or no is not sufficient).

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

2) Give in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience. Also, through your inquiry, what is different now?

3) How does it feel to see this?
What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

6) Anything to add?

Take your time for this.

Best wishes

Warissem

[Questioning]

Hi Warissem,

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form?
Was there ever?

There is no separate entity. Never was.

2) Give in your own words what the illusion of separate self is and how it shows up in experience.

The illusion of separate self is thoughts work. It is using labels for everything arising and also labeling this void that is experiencing. The most common label is the name that others use in contact with us. Sentences are constructed with this name and so the label amplifies by using and repeating.
When talking and thinking the name we are spoken to is transformed in an "I" and "you". But there never was or is this name or this "I" or "you" as a separate entity. It's just a communication pattern fragmenting reality.

Also,through your inquiry, what is different now?

There is this vastness. There is some kind of distance towards thoughts.

3) How does it feel to see this?

Astonishment. How simple!

What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days

.
There is more peace and relaxation.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

When I wrote to you "it can't be that simple" and you replied "I assure you it is that simple". From this moment on there was this joyful repeating in me "it's that simple" and it was kind of a silent joyful laughter: "that simple"..."that simple".]

5) a) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
Give examples from your own recent experiences to how things happen and how things work.

There is nobody. No person, no entity. Who could make decisions, having intentions when there is nobody? Only floating experiences. Who could have free will? There is no one. For the same reason there is no control. There is no entity to have control.
There is only happening. Nothing makes things happen. There is only this flow of sensations. There is no "maker". It just happens.
Examples: My fingers are typing this text. Touching the screen is happening. Sensing with the finger is happening.

b) What are you responsible for? Give examples from your own recent experiences to how this works.

Who could be responsible? There is no one. There can be thoughts about an entity, but that doesn't make an entity. So who could be responsible when there is no "who"?

6) Anything to add?

Thank you for your guidance.

Best wishes
Hel

[warissem]

Good evening

I invited other guides to read your answers and pose questions if any. Be patient, it will take some time.

Best wishes

Warissem

[warissem]

Hi Helga

There are two questions of other guides for you : give answers through direct experience.

In the answer 2, you wrote this "It is using labels for everything arising and also labeling this void that is experiencing"
Question : Are you identifying with this void ?

On 27 July, you wrote this :
"Guilt is in my thoughts but it is impossible that guilt exists. Who would be guilty if nothing exists on its own? If there is no doer." -
The question is - Notice at your Direct experience to whom voice of shame and guilt speaking to?

Best wishes

Warissem

[Questioning]

Hi Warissem,

here are my answers:

In the answer 2, you wrote this "It is using labels for everything arising and also labeling this void that is experiencing"
Question : Are you identifying with this void ?

No. There IS this void. This emptiness. This nothing. This undescribable sphere of no reference point.

I might have produced a misunderstanding as English is not my first language. There is not me experiencing the void. There are thoughts expressed in sentences with a subject. This void was and is before those sentences, before those ideas. It's kind of a silent background but it is not something I am experiencing. It's a calm emptiness without limits.
This body is functioning and has got a name. This name is used in sentences so there is communication by using this identification. This silent background doesn't have a name. Before deeply realizing this void there was of course this misinterpretation mixing up the name (this label) with this void. There were moments of emptiness before but it wasn't seen clearly. This "I" (sorry, only used for explanation) in thoughts subsumed an identity under this name. So the void was somehow covered with this name, this label, this "I". There was not any other. It's like being air in an open empty bottle, but the air having learnt that it is the shape and form of the bottle. Therefore the air stays in this bottle until the bottle falls down and crashes. This sets the air totally free. The air was always air and could evaporate but labeled itself as bottle.

Hoping the answer is now better to understand.

"Guilt is in my thoughts but it is impossible that guilt exists. Who would be guilty if nothing exists on its own? If there is no doer." -
The question is - Notice at your Direct experience to whom voice of shame and guilt speaking to?

Voice of shame and guilt don't speak to me.
They are thoughts that already carry the next thoughts. The realization that there is emptiness is so radical that it is also reflected in the thought work. The direct experience is emptiness but it influences the thoughts.
It's like "aha", also this is not: The "I" is not, the guilt is not, the shame is not, just nothing is.
It's this spontaneous laughter that arises.
It might sound as a logical conclusion but it is more kind of astonishment.

Best wishes
Hel

[warissem]

Hi Helga

Great. You will be invited to join Unleashed groups in facebook.

I wish you the best

Warissem

[Questioning]

Hi Warissem,

thank you for your guidance!

Best wishes
Hel