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[Lilpil]

Isn’t pain just an intense sensation?

Yes it is, and it is loud, and there seems to be more focus on that loud pain.

[Lilpil]

But is there someone having these sensations?
Is there someone these sensations happening TO?

No they just are.There is none to have anything at all.
They are just sensations felt in body.

[Lilpil]

Is there someone not liking pain?

There is prefer not feeling pain, when feeling pain there is trying to fix it if possible by taking painkillers. Than "I" can com strongly in and start feeling sorry for "my self " that is what is felt here there is a sadness because of pain a lot of times.But not always. It is prefered to not have intense sensations.

[Lilpil]

Is there a feeler?

No there is not a feeler, there is sensation felt in body, it is no ones pain but it is sometimes felt very intense.

[Vivien]

Hi Lilpil,

Than there was a contraction because thought came: you are newer going to get it !

To whom thoughts are talking?

What is listening / hearing thoughts?

There is prefer not feeling pain, when feeling pain there is trying to fix it if possible by taking painkillers. Than "I" can com strongly in and start feeling sorry for "my self " that is what is felt here there is a sadness because of pain a lot of times.But not always. It is prefered to not have intense sensations.

Yes, I understand that. But the question was if there is actually someone not liking the pain?

Whose problem is that if there is pain or not?

Who doesn’t like it?

Who resists it?

Where is the resister?

Vivien

[Lilpil]

there is actually someone not liking the pain?

No there is no one actually liking the pain.

[Lilpil]

To whom thoughts are talking?

Thought are just appearing somewhere in the mind and they are not talking they are like passing by , stream of thoughts. They are noticed by something.There is awarenes of thoughtstream. and sometimes thoughts are believed.

[Lilpil]

What is listening / hearing thoughts?

I think they are not listened to, or heard, they are more sensed.

[Lilpil]

if there is actually someone not liking the pain?

Is the pain a reaction of the body, no not actually.

[Lilpil]

Whose problem is that if there is pain or not?

It is no problem, but it feels bad. I feel like a hypocrite now, It is no ones problem I cant find anyone but it feels bad.it is direct experience. Uff this is not seen clearly.

[Lilpil]

Who doesn’t like it?

It is a belief? If I would go out now and shovel the snow from my car this pain would disappear, the difficulty would overshadow the pain. I guess pain is pain and there is nothing more to say about it.

[Lilpil]

Who resists it?

There seems to be a resisting in the body, it and that makes it only worse, as you can see there is an avoidance answering.There is a beleve there is an illusonari I not liking the pain.

[Lilpil]

Where is the resister?

There is no resister.

Vivian is it ok if I answer your next post Sunday evening?

[Vivien]

Hi Lilpil,

It is no problem, but it feels bad. I feel like a hypocrite now, It is no ones problem I cant find anyone but it feels bad.it is direct experience. Uff this is not seen clearly.

If there is any pain present now, then just stay with it. Just feel it. And do your best to ignore all mental labels, all thoughts which say “it feels bad”.

Just FEEL it and don’t pay attention to the thoughts about it.

If you don’t think the thought “bad”, what happens then?
Is there still a dislike without calling it ‘bad’?

There seems to be a resisting in the body, it and that makes it only worse, as you can see there is an avoidance answering.There is a beleve there is an illusonari I not liking the pain.

Yes. Whenever there is pain or any unpleasant emotion or sensation the self/I is automatically assumed to be real again.

That’s why you need to investigate when the pain is there, when it FEELS LIKE there is someone not liking it. Look at and see if that there is actually someone there not liking it, or there are only thoughts that say “I don’t like it, it’s bad”.

Vivian is it ok if I answer your next post Sunday evening?

Of course, no problem.

I wrote a blog post about pain. Please read it, it could help:
https://fadingveiling.com/2014/08/18/is ... suffering/

Vivien

[Lilpil]

Hi Vivian

If you don’t think the thought “bad”, what happens then?
Is there still a dislike without calling it ‘bad’?

When I close my eyes and pay attention to sensations in the body, there are so so many sensations in the body I don´t think I can count them! I don´t know if they are all there at the same time. But I can not notice them all at the same time.This has newer been noticed before! When I focus on another body part it decreases the "bad" sensation and other sensations decreases or even disappear. Each sensation is different, some are pleasant and soma are less pleasant some are more intense. Bad is a label. Bad is something not good. These are all labels, pleasant is a label. Labels are tools to communicate. There is an intense sensation here it is more noticed because I am sitting still and there is not distraction enough to decrease the pain. No there is none disliking this pain. There is none. Pain is pain. It seems that I can not think the thought ´bad´but I can talk it without a sound in my head. It is not a choice what is thought.