The Gate

Hi Vortex, another guide responded with this; "His answer to question 5B, to me, isn't clear.
He talks about "story mutually accepted and applied whenever found useful".
This implies decision making ie the thoughts appearing are accepted and if found as 'useful', are then applied.
There are actions taken that aren't all that useful too!
So I really don't know what he is getting at with his example.
Can he provide a couple of other examples from his daily life on what he believes he is responsible for?"

All of the guides are really busy so tend not to read the whole thread, so with the answers to these questions, it's best to spell things out in detail. It may well be that language implies things that you didn't mean so best to be clear about that too.

vince

BRB

Can he provide a couple of other examples from his daily life on what he believes he is responsible for?"

No "he" can't because "he" isn't. Since "he" isn't, his "daily life" isn't too, his "beliefs" aren't too and his "responsibility" (including the responsibility to answer questions) isn't too.

This story just happened - is it any useful? 🙂

Good morning Vortex,

He talks about "story mutually accepted and applied whenever found useful".

Is "accepted and applied" something that is 'done'?

There are actions taken that aren't all that useful too!

Is there a decision to take them?

Can he provide a couple of other examples from his daily life on what he believes he is responsible for?"

No "he" can't because "he" isn't. Since "he" isn't, his "daily life" isn't too, his "beliefs" aren't too and his "responsibility" (including the responsibility to answer questions) isn't too.

So to summarize, are you saying that since there is no 'you', there's no such thing as responsibility?

with love

vince

Is "accepted and applied" something that is 'done'?

No. As doing requires doer and doer can't be found in experience. So "accepted and applied" is a story about experience happening.

There are actions taken that aren't all that useful too!

Is there a decision to take them?

No, cause there is no self to decide but there is the thinking and the story of decision making is part of it.

So to summarize, are you saying that since there is no 'you', there's no such thing as responsibility?

As a thing, no. As a story, yes.

Yesterday's story didn't do?

still waiting on a response...

v

Hey Vince,

since waiting for our friend here is obviously taking some time why don't you also ask him about the following statement of his:

There are actions taken that aren't all that useful too!

Does he imply by this that there is some universal standard for what is "useful" and that standard is actually true? Or is it maybe that "useful" is just another illusion tied up to the illusion of self and dependant upon it's existence as to be true or false?

Hi Vortex, Sorry about the wait, i was busy yesterday.

friend here

was satisfied with your response, but another guide asks; Can you point to the moment when there has been a shift from an intellectual understanding of there being no separate self to an experiential recognition of it?
How did the shift itself felt?
What has changed and what hasn't in everyday life since the start of this dialog?
Thank you

Hello Vince,

Can you point to the moment when there has been a shift from an intellectual understanding of there being no separate self to an experiential recognition of it?

Not really. I can't say I have experienced a big moment with a big shift. It was rather that everytime I've read a story in the GG book or a thread here in the forum something small shifted inside. Everytime I saw how someone else was asked to refer to his direct experience instead of stretching fearitales about what things should be I did the same in my mind and an "Aha" came. And then one morning..

How did the shift itself felt?

I woke up and everything was the same except the feeling that I see it for the first time as it has always been and not as it is supposed to be. I've read it in a book some time ago that a master was asked how is it to be enlightened and he answered: same as otherwise, just two inches above the ground. I've been wondering ever since what that meant and I neither know nor do I care if this condition is enlightenment but I do feel like sliding two inches above the ground and I like it.

What has changed and what hasn't in everyday life since the start of this dialog?

Life continue as it always was but there isn't really this urge to grab a situation, idea, person or problem and try hold on to it, break it into pieces, explain it out, own it and change it to my liking. Things as accepted as they come.. what is pleasant is enjoyed and left to go.. what isn't so pleasant is recognised as unstable, left to happen as it does and left to go.. life just freely floats between the two.

Good morning Vortex, by now, i imagine you will have noticed that your name has been turned blue. This is an acknowledgment that guides agree that you have passed through the gateless gate.
You should have had an invite to join a Facebook group of others who have as well.
This is by no means an end to anything, but it is likely a plateau.
There are two possibilities going forward from this point. The first is that you could drift back to sleep. That the comfort of old conditioning can seduce you. Or that you remain excited about further discoveries, and you keep what you are currently experiencing alive. Reading, viewing youtube videos, Facebook groups, etc may do this. Although you will encounter lots of rubbish. There may also be an intense desire to share this with others. Especially those that are obviously suffering as a result of delusions. Don't do it! Experience, myself and other shows that this rarely works out well and often can cost you relationships. You will be seen (and are) an outlander.
i highly recommend guiding as a way to deepen. This may or may not be something that is a good fit for you. Most likely not if you revert to your earlier way of communicating, but very likely if you continue in the vein if your latest posts.
Whatever happens, i wish you well and want you to know that i am always available (via PM here, or on Facebook messenger)

Go well.
With love

vince

Thanks a lot Vince,

for all of the time and attention you and the other guides spent with me here.I have already opted for becoming a guide so we'll be chatting again sooner or later.

Thanks a lot Vince,

No worries..

v