Frihet

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Listening to meditations are ok
so we can say that intense seeking of spitiritual meaning or enlightement has stopped!

What happens just happens, no reason, no control, no doer!
Can you this ?
Can I this?? What do you mean by that question? I do get the point that there is no doer, no one is inside the brain and the thoughts are not in control or command the full implications of this seeing just have to sink in to life by itself.

Sorry i wanted to write "Can you see this"..
But looks like you see it already : )

No there is no one hiding behind the eyes or elsewhere!
I am not here and I am not there either it really just is a flow of everything!

That's nice to hear.
Sure it is just a flow...

So some last questions..

Then i would like to give you the final questions

There is also a sense of being more responsible for this life than before.

What are you responsible of ?
What is not happening itself ?
Is there anything happening with a help of a doer ?

When shifting perspective to non separation and actual experience instead there is a sense of stillness, richness, openness and fullness

So can you say that a shift in perception has happened ?

Thank you Pia.
It's so nice to work with you

Sending much love.

[pia]

Hi Adil!
Happy to have your guidance helping me to sort out all kinds of happenings pointing with clarity of what is real and what is not!

Here comes todays reflections:

What are you responsible of ?

Ok there is no one responsible for life since there is no entity to be responsible in the first place. When thoughts are not in the way there is a sense of contact with openness and richness that is hard to put in words.

What is not happening itself ?

Everything happens without any core or doer, it just happens.

Is there anything happening with a help of a doer ?

No, there is not.

So can you say that a shift in perception has happened?

Yes there is a shift but thoughts making up stories and scenarios come along but then sooner or later with help of direct experience the shift of no self is there again. But there is a shift in understanding what is true and not.The direct experience makes the shift. Happy to see this!

Much love,
Pia

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Hi Adil!
Happy to have your guidance helping me to sort out all kinds of happenings pointing with clarity of what is real and what is not!

Here comes todays reflections:

What are you responsible of ?

Ok there is no one responsible for life since there is no entity to be responsible in the first place. When thoughts are not in the way there is a sense of contact with openness and richness that is hard to put in words.

What is not happening itself ?

Everything happens without any core or doer, it just happens.

Is there anything happening with a help of a doer ?

No, there is not.

So can you say that a shift in perception has happened?

Yes there is a shift but thoughts making up stories and scenarios come along but then sooner or later with help of direct experience the shift of no self is there again. But there is a shift in understanding what is true and not.The direct experience makes the shift. Happy to see this!

Much love,
Pia

Thank you for the answers Pia...
Thoughts will always arise. There is no end to it. When you see that they arise for no-one and in its own random flow there is nothing so much important.
Just life the way it is.

Thannk you

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LEt's look also the idea of distance objects and separation..

Lie on your back and relax.
Have a look at the ceiling.
There is thought to be a distance between that what is thought to be known as ‘body’ and that what is labelled ‘ceiling’.

Close your eyes. Now focus on the space between body and ceiling.
Take your time, breathe in and out and simply look
Keep the eyes shut. What do you notice?

Is there a body?
Is there a ceiling?
Is there a distance?

[pia]

Hi a quick reply this time having a day off.

Is there a body?
Is there a ceiling?
Is there a distance?

With closed eyes: There are various sensations associated with the label body but not with limits -more floating with an open quality to it, there is no ceiling at all and then following no distance between body and ceiling. At the same time when doing this looking there is a sound of heavy rain outside but the sound of the rain also is not in experience at distance (outside) it is part of the same sensed experiences as the bodily ones. Fascinating!
Love,
Pia

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Hi a quick reply this time having a day off.

Is there a body?
Is there a ceiling?
Is there a distance?

With closed eyes: There are various sensations associated with the label body but not with limits -more floating with an open quality to it, there is no ceiling at all and then following no distance between body and ceiling. At the same time when doing this looking there is a sound of heavy rain outside but the sound of the rain also is not in experience at distance (outside) it is part of the same sensed experiences as the bodily ones. Fascinating!
Love,
Pia

Beautiful..
Sure you see the thought construct..Thought story about "what is.."

Thank you

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Ok dear Pia..

Please bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend". Then bring up a thought about a character labelled "stranger".

Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts? Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend". After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.

Is there a difference? Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?

Also what is the actual experience of others ?

[pia]

Hi !
So happy to keep going looking further into reality!

Please bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend". Then bring up a thought about a character labelled "stranger".

Compare these thoughts.

Is there a difference in these thoughts? Is there a true difference or is it just different content?

Now, bring up a thought about a character labelled "friend". After that, look at a thought about the character labelled "me”.

Is there a difference? Is there anything special about thoughts with the content "me-character"?

Also what is the actual experience of others ?

It is a difference in content: the thought of the friend has more energy and creates more thoughts and the thought about the stranger is generating less thoughts and ideas. There is a strong idea that there is a true difference but since the friend and the stranger also do not have a “me” - in reality there is not!

It is easier to find the non self in “me” then in my friend because I can just close my eyes and experience the vastness of no me. There is no difference but harder to experience the non self in others
Thoughts with the “me” character tends to create more bodily sensations in a narrowing sense and generate more thoughts of future.
Since this work started the experience of others are less annoying and more accepting.From this exercise I will play with looking at others asking “myself’ if they also are without the “me” which is obvious but has to be seen directly.

Sending love,
Pia

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Very good dedicated looking!
Thank you Pia.

Since this work started the experience of others are less annoying and more accepting.From this exercise I will play with looking at others asking “myself’ if they also are without the “me” which is obvious but has to be seen directly.

Good to hear this.
Sure you can create games like this. It will help you see better and deeper.

On Sunday also play with this..

Focus on the eyes of the other people - animals..
Remind your self that same thing is looking to itself.
Try to see objects as same thing appearing to itself.
Try to see that there is awareness being aware of it self.

Tell me until monday what comes..

SEnding much love.

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Also on sunday,

Remember that there is only thoughts appearing in the now and there is no other time.

Focus on people who are telling stories from an illusory past..Can be anything a person appearing on tv telling about 2'nd world war... a friend telling about a memory that you shared together..Family members talking about an illusory yesterday etc..

Focus how they strongly believe that this past has really happened in the past.
Remember that this has no actual experience and it is a world from words...

See you on Monday..

Sending love..

[pia]

God morning,

Focus on the eyes of the other people - animals..
Remind your self that same thing is looking to itself.
Try to see objects as same thing appearing to itself.
Try to see that there is awareness being aware of it self.

This exercises was not easy. Just looking to other people in the bus seeing them as people without the “me” needs an effort. When having eye contact there is a sense of connectedness and non separation. But to see that the people or the cat are looking to themselves or just are plain awareness just like “me”- this view does not come easily although there are obviously no “me”in “them” either. Trying this with my cat: it has its personality and habits but I cannot see directly the non separation between”me” and the cat. Contact through the eyes with the cat does not arise. Making sensed contact having my hand on the cat when he breathes works then I cannot tell who is who when the hand moves up and down if I close my eyes so then separation is not there.
Having noticed since a child when animals are hurt there is a reaction with heartbeat and distress in “my”body- when reflecting this is a sign of non separation. But this is a story of happenings in the past not direct looking.....
So to see that there is awareness being aware of itself in people/animals/objects is not easy- I don’t think I see this directly.

Remember that there is only thoughts appearing in the now and there is no other time.
Focus on people who are telling stories from an illusory past..Can be anything a person appearing on tv telling about 2'nd world war... a friend telling about a memory that you shared together..Family members talking about an illusory yesterday etc..Focus how they strongly believe that this past has really happened in the past.
Remember that this has no actual experience and it is a world from words..

This one with the stories of the past: I will need some more looking into this one.

Enough for now, grateful for the support in this looking,
Pia

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That's ok Pia,

Let's look more

This one with the stories of the past: I will need some more looking into this one.

Was there really a second world war ?
Was there really 10 years ago ?
Was there 1 year ago ?
Was there yesterday ?
Is there even now ?

[pia]

Hi!


Challenging looking now:
If possible could you comment on the looking that I sent yesterday “to se people\animals\objects as awareness being aware of itself”. Need some help here how to look at this in direct experience?

Was there really a second world war ?
Was there really 10 years ago ?
Was there 1 year ago ?
Was there yesterday ?
Is there even now ?

Now about stories of the past and present:
Could it be put like this; world war 2 did not exist as it is a concept and time is also a concept and therefor it does not exist in the now in direct experience. So in one way it does not exist and in another way things happened in direct experience then. So it neither exist or not exists but certainly does not exist now and in direct experience. I notice that there is resistance here it is like denying the nazist extinction of people in the concentration camps. Same thing with a year ago, yesterday and the now also in a direct sense does not exist. What with “my” body who had cancer in the past and in direct experience there is sense from the scars of operation. Is it just sensations and no cancer ever existed?

Love,
Pia

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Hi!


Challenging looking now:
If possible could you comment on the looking that I sent yesterday “to se people\animals\objects as awareness being aware of itself”. Need some help here how to look at this in direct experience?

Was there really a second world war ?
Was there really 10 years ago ?
Was there 1 year ago ?
Was there yesterday ?
Is there even now ?

Now about stories of the past and present:
Could it be put like this; world war 2 did not exist as it is a concept and time is also a concept and therefor it does not exist in the now in direct experience. So in one way it does not exist and in another way things happened in direct experience then. So it neither exist or not exists but certainly does not exist now and in direct experience. I notice that there is resistance here it is like denying the nazist extinction of people in the concentration camps. Same thing with a year ago, yesterday and the now also in a direct sense does not exist. What with “my” body who had cancer in the past and in direct experience there is sense from the scars of operation. Is it just sensations and no cancer ever existed?

Love,
Pia

there is resistance here it is like denying the nazist extinction of people in the concentration camps

Yes i asked this question on purpose to let you see this resistance on a (agreed) thought story ..

Ask now this question,


Could it be any different ?
If yes, what says so ?

“my” body who had cancer in the past and in direct experience there is sense from the scars of operation. Is it just sensations and no cancer ever existed?

Can you see that everything is a story brought by thought..
Where is this past ?
Is anything without any actual experience real ?
Is thought content real here and now ? What is thought telling about ?

Relax...breathe and focus on the scars and see how thought writes the story about them "this happened like this..this happened like that, i know because i remember (memory thought is just another thought)..

Recognize again fully that these are just thoughts.. And what you see there actually ???

What is those scars without thought?
Let's say if now you loose your memory how can you know that you were / are cancer and you had operations.

Key is not forgetting/denying these memories but seeing thought as thought.

Can you see that there is an attached thought of me to these thoughts appearing in the now ?

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If possible could you comment on the looking that I sent yesterday “to se people\animals\objects as awareness being aware of itself”. Need some help here how to look at this in direct experience?

This was an imagining game for sunday play :)
It is not so important to go back.
But you can develop a thinking pattern that all you see around you is the play of awareness.