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When I look, I do not view things through two separate windows, but just as one ‘windscreen’ view. I have been taught that this ‘act of seeing’ is processed by a part of (the / my) brain. There is a belief that this is ‘true’, but what is actually experienced is ‘just the act of seeing’…….. I have a concoction of ideas about how this happens, but there is ‘just seeing’. I can sense no ‘I’ doing the ‘seeing’, although I have been taught to reference this seeing as ‘my seeing’ as opposed to someone else’s.What is seeing?
Look at whatever is in front of you. Is it seen from the persective of two widows……?
I guess when there is awareness of ‘seeing’ there appears to be no traceable see-er behind it. Awareness appears to flip between various sensory experiences and there is a sense that ‘I’ can watch the process. But this idea of ‘I watching the process’ breaks down quite quickly, as the sense of ‘I’ comes and goes, becomes distracted, goes into a dream state……. There appears no permanent ‘me’ or ‘I’ that is in control. Although there sometimes appears to be a separate ‘I’, there really isn’t anything that’s reliably separate. Throughout the day, little ‘I’s try to assert themselves, but then just vaporize.Is there any awareness separate from experience or is there just experience?
Hi David X, You're Totally fine not rude at All my Friend & Please forgive my Late Reply as Well, I'm recovering from a healing wound so haven't felt so Great ¡ ! ¡ Feeling much Better Now YayHi Stafford,
Sorry that was a bit rude, I just went straight into the questions without saying 'Hi' first...... Once I had typed it, I didn't want to risk losing it, so I just pressed 'Submit'. This is the first part of my answer to the set of questions / exercises.
I hope you are well,
Luv,
Dave
Hi David X, You're Totally fine not rude at All my Friend & Please forgive my Late Reply as Well, I'm recovering from a healing wound so haven't felt so Great ¡ ! ¡ Feeling much Better Now YayHi Stafford,
Sorry that was a bit rude, I just went straight into the questions without saying 'Hi' first...... Once I had typed it, I didn't want to risk losing it, so I just pressed 'Submit'. This is the first part of my answer to the set of questions / exercises.
I hope you are well,
Luv,
Dave
Hi David X, You're Totally fine not rude at All my Friend & Please forgive my Late Reply as Well, I'm recovering from a healing wound so haven't felt so Great ¡ ! ¡ Feeling much Better Now YayHi Stafford,
Sorry that was a bit rude, I just went straight into the questions without saying 'Hi' first...... Once I had typed it, I didn't want to risk losing it, so I just pressed 'Submit'. This is the first part of my answer to the set of questions / exercises.
I hope you are well,
Luv,
Dave
Stafford,Just Look in towards The Hearing Feeling Seeing without any Judgment & the one worried about Stuff Will Be Seen Through & could never Remember or Forget Anything, only in Imagination & That's even fabricated after the fact Wow Right ?!? So You See This can Never Be Taught Only Seen & Please let me Know what comes up out of This !?!
OK Yes David Love This. Exactly No Body Home Anywhere, just Life Happing !!! I'm Feeling You're Through the Gate ;~} =_= {~; Nothing more I can Guide You Too, However I have too have Administration look agian & See if anything still needs clearing ?!? They may want You to go over the 6 Final questions again if So just Go Directly Too The Point !!!Stafford,Just Look in towards The Hearing Feeling Seeing without any Judgment & the one worried about Stuff Will Be Seen Through & could never Remember or Forget Anything, only in Imagination & That's even fabricated after the fact Wow Right ?!? So You See This can Never Be Taught Only Seen & Please let me Know what comes up out of This !?!
A quick reflection tonight..... What comes up out of this..........
So although it feels that 'I' am responding to you with these words..... 'I' am not actually making such a choice to respond. There is no actual 'I' to make this choice. Also there is no 'you' or 'Stafford' that 'I' am responding to. There is something that acts and behaves as if it is a self in all of 'us', but which has no real substantiality, no reality. 'I' think that 'I' have made a decision to sit and type, my body sits down and my fingers are hitting the keyboard guided by an understanding of English that has been conditioned into 'me'. 'I' attempt to 'communicate' with 'you'. But there is no-one really doing anything either end.
'My decision' to follow up this process after seeing the LU website, was not 'my decision' either. The past matrix of circumstances experienced by this 'bio-system' led this bio-system ('me') to notice LU. The false 'Self' believes it wants to go beyond 'itself' (or at least see through the delusion of 'self'), how frickin amazing and ridiculous is that?!? And then we try to tie up the stories of 'our' lives after events have taken place to further give meaning and reality to the 'self' that doesn't really exist and never existed in the first place?
When 'I' think I have performed an action or are about to perform one..... say to wash up, that it not a choice that 'my self' makes.... it is just a response to a situation that depends on past conditioning. But the delusion that we make choices is very sexy and alluring...... 'I' am important....'I' make decisions....... But it is all bullshit..... 'I' am writing this believing 'I' make that choice.... believing that there is an 'entity' to make such a choice to write or do anything......
So in reality, there is no real need to do anything and in fact there aren't even any players / actors on the stage who can do anything. No Ilona, no Stafford, no Dave...... There isn't even any real need to see through the false construct of 'self' and actually no-one to see through it! The false construct of self is part of what we call nature.... it stops one getting run-over when crossing the road...... There isn't really a problem to solve....... If the Buddha realized all of this before he went searching, he may well have just stayed at home! There is no possible way 'you' can get 'enlightened' coz there isnt a 'you' to get anything!!!!!
Goodnight cosmic energy labelled as 'Stafford'.
Please keep in touch if You Feel & would Be my Pleasure too Be there for You if anything comes up ! ¡ !