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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:43 pm

Here’s a question:
Is there always actual experience preceding thought? For example, I’m sitting quietly doing nothing, for example. Just resting. All of a sudden I become conscious that I’m lost in an internal conversation or fantasy about something. It just popped out of nowhere. There was no direct experience prior. Is that possible? Thoughts just popping because I was in idle mode( doing nothing in particular)?

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Is there anytime that thought does not pop ?
Thoughts just pop up because they do so. No why, no reason. It is the nature of how things happen..
Question "why" thoughts..
Thought is also a direct experience, but the content of it is not, cause it is does not give always reliable results.
Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought..
Clear ?
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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:00 pm

Hi Adil!
I'm going on a silent meditation retreat tomorrow until Sunday with no access to any electronic devices. I will be back on Sunday evening. Looking forward to work some more as of Monday, unless you are taking a break during the Holidays.
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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:15 am

houghts just pop up because they do so. No why, no reason. It is the nature of how things happen..
Question "why" thoughts..
Thought is also a direct experience, but the content of it is not, cause it is does not give always reliable results.
Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought..
Clear ?
Hi!
What does “not give reliable results”mean? What results are we talking about? They aren’t always truthful? Is that what you mean ?
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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:36 am

houghts just pop up because they do so. No why, no reason. It is the nature of how things happen..
Question "why" thoughts..
Thought is also a direct experience, but the content of it is not, cause it is does not give always reliable results.
Actual experience does not refer to thoughts ABOUT something…because that is only just more thought..
Clear ?
Hi!
What does “not give reliable results”mean? What results are we talking about? They aren’t always truthful? Is that what you mean ?
Smell is smell
taste is taste
color is color
sound is sound
sensation is sensation
thought as a face value is thought.
but is content of thought one ?
it says million subjective things..How can we be sure ?
We can say they arent always truthful yes.
We are interested in things which never change, to find out in reality to see what really exists what does not!

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Ok Dear..
take your time and when you are back please write a message saying you are ready..
Enjoy..
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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 1:54 pm

Smell is smell
taste is taste
color is color
sound is sound
sensation is sensation
thought as a face value is thought.
but is content of thought one ?
it says million subjective things..How can we be sure ?
We can say they arent always truthful yes.
We are interested in things which never change, to find out in reality to see what really exists what does not!
Ok.
All clear.
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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:33 am

Dear Adil,
I am back from retreat. We can proceed,
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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:38 pm

ok Suzanne,
how was the retreat ?
Could find time to think about our work ?
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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:39 pm

I would like from you to watch this video and tell me what comes..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNwED9J ... EuDMSl2GTY

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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:01 pm

how was the retreat ?
Could find time to think about our work ?
Indeed I did! Silence is very helpful to observe your mind and experience. I noticed the difference between direct experience (where there is no me) and the feeling of being connected with sound, sight, smell and sensations versus the thoughts about the experience with th I appearing. I’m working with that.
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Ps. I will watch the video tomorrow and get back to you tomorrow.
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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:23 pm

how was the retreat ?
Could find time to think about our work ?
Indeed I did! Silence is very helpful to observe your mind and experience. I noticed the difference between direct experience (where there is no me) and the feeling of being connected with sound, sight, smell and sensations versus the thoughts about the experience with th I appearing. I’m working with that.
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Ps. I will watch the video tomorrow and get back to you tomorrow.
Okay :)
Waiting for your reply to move on..
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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 2:45 pm

I would like from you to watch this video and tell me what comes.
Hello,
After watching the video, i felt strange. It’s true that I don’t know what it’s like inside the body. I can’t only feel sensations about the body and see it from a distance through the eyes. I never approached viewing the body in this way. There is no direct experience of the inside of the body other than sensations like pain or itching.
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Re: Liberation

Postby Suzanne68 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:12 pm

I also had an insight on how I really have no control over experience maybe because I (the controller) don’t exist. It’s really just the label that makes it seem like there is an I owning the experience...
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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:16 pm

I would like from you to watch this video and tell me what comes.
Hello,
After watching the video, i felt strange. It’s true that I don’t know what it’s like inside the body. I can’t only feel sensations about the body and see it from a distance through the eyes. I never approached viewing the body in this way. There is no direct experience of the inside of the body other than sensations like pain or itching.

Good looking Suzanne!
Yes there is sensations, there are thoughts, there is an image, there is sound smell taste but

Is a sensation is not a body ?
Is a thought is not a body ?
Is a image is not a body ?
Is a sound is not a body ?
IS a smell is not a body ?
IS a taste is not a body =

IS there really a BODY ?
What is a body ?
LOOK!
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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:19 pm

I also had an insight on how I really have no control over experience maybe because I (the controller) don’t exist. It’s really just the label that makes it seem like there is an I owning the experience...
Sure there is no control and controller of any kind..
Sure it is the label even the language creating this sense, now it is getting clear for you.
These insights will happen more and more each day with your daily looking!

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Re: Liberation

Postby adilerten » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:23 pm

Sorry Suzanne about the formation of the questions.

i am correcting;

Is a sensation is a body ?
Is a thought is a body ?
Is a image is a body ?
Is a sound is a body ?
IS a smell is a body ?
IS a taste is a body =

IS there really a BODY ?
What is a body ?
LOOK!
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