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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Mon May 07, 2018 6:47 pm

What are the odds? Can this be just a coincidence? I think there must be an invisible bond between all the “I”s.
What about there not being a bond?
This would still mean that one ‘I’ is separate from the other ‘I’, or?
Offer of a lifetime, only for you: Real time 5D documentary/action/drama/comedy non-stop and free of charge! How could one refuse a deal like that? I’m definitely interested!
That sounds like a damn good offer!!!
I am glad you are interested in it. Really.
The story will be around.

Watching the story of Aris – is there a way, any way in which you can control the outcome, the choices made, parts of the story?

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Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Tue May 08, 2018 2:54 pm

What about there not being a bond? This would still mean that one ‘I’ is separate from the other ‘I’, or?
That’s right. In the Kingdom Of Vowels it can be both ways, because “a bond” is just a thought. In actual experience one doesn’t need to worry about anything that’s not there, like invisible bonds.
Watching the story of Aris – is there a way, any way in which you can control the outcome, the choices made, parts of the story?
No, no and no. Today, like every day, has once again proven that no “I” is in control and it’s just the situations in life that kind of determine the direction and decisions, which saves us from the headache of trying to figure out everything by ourselves.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Tue May 08, 2018 3:53 pm

No, no and no. Today, like every day, has once again proven that no “I” is in control and it’s just the situations in life that kind of determine the direction and decisions, which saves us from the headache of trying to figure out everything by ourselves.
Can a situation do anything? Like determine a direction or decision?
Or is Life just happening – Life-ing, Life as Aris? No cause and effect, no purpose?

How is it proven for you that there is no 'I' in control? Would you say that there is no 'I' at all and never was?
Would you tell me a bit about what changed for you since the investigation started? Are there any differences and if yes, what are they?


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Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Wed May 09, 2018 6:20 pm

Can a situation do anything? Like determine a direction or decision?
No, it can’t.
Or is Life just happening – Life-ing, Life as Aris? No cause and effect, no purpose?
Life obviously is happening as far as actual experience is considered as seeing life happening. “I” would certainly like to have a purpose, but that is a thought. Cause and effect? Looks like I have to leave that too. Shit! 😂 But it’s true: there’s no such thing elsewhere than 'in the mind’.
How is it proven for you that there is no 'I' in control? Would you say that there is no 'I' at all and never was?
It’s proven by the facts that I can’t control thoughts, feelings, happenings, others, anything. I can find “I” only in thoughts; memories, images of 'my body’ and thoughts about body’s sensations being me. I haven't got any big breakthrough yet, but all the insights and hard evidence support “I”s absence.
Would you tell me a bit about what changed for you since the investigation started? Are there any differences and if yes, what are they?
Distinction of thoughts being thoughts and sensations being sensations - seeing them coming and going, and also there origins, the past, clearer. Not taking them as seriously as before. Accepting them better. I feel a little and subtle change in my attitude towards what's happening around.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Wed May 09, 2018 6:54 pm

Life obviously is happening as far as actual experience is considered as seeing life happening. “I” would certainly like to have a purpose, but that is a thought. Cause and effect? Looks like I have to leave that too. Shit! 😂 But it’s true: there’s no such thing elsewhere than 'in the mind’.
Well sometimes one has to be really really strong. ;-)
Isn’t it helpful to simply check in AE if something exists? There are so many beliefs and concepts we buy into.
It’s proven by the facts that I can’t control thoughts, feelings, happenings, others, anything. I can find “I” only in thoughts; memories, images of 'my body’ and thoughts about body’s sensations being me. I haven't got any big breakthrough yet, but all the insights and hard evidence support “I”s absence.
This is good. There is this belief which was never questioned, and when it is seen that there is no hard evidence for this belief in a separate self, the belief looses it’s power source and can start to fall away, though that might take some time.
Well, the breakthrough thing, for some it clicks loudly and others slip through the non Gate with hardly noticing it.

Remember the questions about expectations? You did answer them a bit yokingly.
Reread the questions about expectations again on page 1. Sit a bit with them and see if you would answer the same way or if new ones popped up.

Keep in mind that a belief is seen for what it is, nothing much changes, life goes on. A belief isn’t something real to start with in the first place. Right? So if it drops, what should change?
Distinction of thoughts being thoughts and sensations being sensations - seeing them coming and going, and also there origins, the past, clearer. Not taking them as seriously as before. Accepting them better. I feel a little and subtle change in my attitude towards what's happening around.
Your getting clearer about the mechanics of thoughts, that’s good.
Do you say that sensations or thoughts or both have an origin - the past? Please explain.
How would you describe this little and subtle changes in your attitude? Could you give an example?

Love,
Jadzia

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Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Thu May 10, 2018 5:02 pm

Isn’t it helpful to simply check in AE if something exists?
Yes, it really is, very simple too once you get it, and just keep on practising.
Reread the questions about expectations again on page 1. Sit a bit with them and see if you would answer the same way or if new ones popped up.
At the moment I’d define my expectations more like being curious of what might happen. Even if there are wishes and expectations they just aren’t more than thoughts that don’t mean anything.
Keep in mind that a belief is seen for what it is, nothing much changes, life goes on. A belief isn’t something real to start with in the first place. Right? So if it drops, what should change?
Nothing should change - that would be a wish or an expectation, out of what there really is. Like you said life goes on, and changes also happen in time, but one can’t look after future when experiencing directly.
Do you say that sensations or thoughts or both have an origin - the past? Please explain.
I knew that wasn’t all right, but I was too tired to correct it yesterday evening, sorry about that (my computer is still 'out’ due to Windows 10 problems and I’m using a 5-inch screen mobile phone, which is 'killing me’...but isn’t that the purpose…? 😀).
Back to the point: It's the thoughts that have their origins in the past - sensations are always in the present moment. If you try to trace back anything it’s a thought.
How would you describe this little and subtle changes in your attitude? Could you give an example?
I’m more patient and calmer, and there’s less hurry, less trying. I accept happenings and other people better, but also ‘my’ reactions, and thoughts as crazy as they can be.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Thu May 10, 2018 8:37 pm

At the moment I’d define my expectations more like being curious of what might happen. Even if there are wishes and expectations they just aren’t more than thoughts that don’t mean anything.
Beautiful. Curiosity for what might happen is a good thing.
Nothing should change - that would be a wish or an expectation, out of what there really is. Like you said life goes on, and changes also happen in time, but one can’t look after future when experiencing directly.
Right, no future in AE and no past. No worrying about what one has done and none for what will happen. Life does it’s Life-ing and stuff happens.
I knew that wasn’t all right, but I was too tired to correct it yesterday evening, sorry about that (my computer is still 'out’ due to Windows 10 problems and I’m using a 5-inch screen mobile phone, which is 'killing me’...but isn’t that the purpose…? 😀).
You mean you will write a Thank you letter to Microsoft when done?
I hope you will share their answer with me....
Back to the point: It's the thoughts that have their origins in the past - sensations are always in the present moment. If you try to trace back anything it’s a thought.
Right about sensations, once you remember one it is a thought (past).
Thoughts have no origin – or do you know where they come from and where they go to?
Thoughts about past – are just thoughts appearing.
Thoughts which point to something in the moment, actual experience, just happen.
Thought about future are just appearing.
Thought are happening.
I’m more patient and calmer, and there’s less hurry, less trying. I accept happenings and other people better, but also ‘my’ reactions, and thoughts as crazy as they can be.
This sounds really good and it most certainly must feel good.
It is such a good idea to watch Aris with love and compassion.

Let's look at two other things:
Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?
Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Fri May 11, 2018 4:07 pm

You mean you will write a Thank you letter to Microsoft when done?
I wonder if they understood. For now I might just settle for a little donation to keep them going.
Thoughts have no origin – or do you know where they come from and where they go to?
No I don’t. I see that was another belief, and not AE.
Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?
Since “I” can’t control thoughts or anything else, I can’t be the chooser either. ‘Choosing’ and 'deciding’ happen - accurized as life happens. There’s no chooser there.
Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
What an interesting concept that is, responsibility. One can dwell on and indulge in the thought heaviness of it...but 'my’ experience is that all “responsibility needed” comes with AE. So it also happens just like that without anyone or anything taking the heavy burden on their shoulders.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Fri May 11, 2018 4:33 pm

Thoughts have no origin – or do you know where they come from and where they go to?
No I don’t. I see that was another belief, and not AE.
Keep in mind that a thought can be observed in AE, the moment it appears: Hi! Here is a thought!
It is the content of this very thought you won’t find in AE.
Since “I” can’t control thoughts or anything else, I can’t be the chooser either. ‘Choosing’ and 'deciding’ happen - accurized as life happens. There’s no chooser there.
There you are, beautifully clear.
Is there a separate individual/entity of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
What an interesting concept that is, responsibility. One can dwell on and indulge in the thought heaviness of it...but 'my’ experience is that all “responsibility needed” comes with AE. So it also happens just like that without anyone or anything taking the heavy burden on their shoulders.
Yes, burden is lifted. The burden of carrying everything on one's shoulders. Since the one isn't what was imagined, this can drop now.

Some more questions, they might sound a bit repetitive, but here we go:
Is there a thinker of thought?
Has there ever been a separate self doing anything?
Is there a self in the body somewhere? Does it have a certain location, or feelings associated with it, or any other attributes?
Is there a self that is inside the body, perceiving a world that is outside?

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Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Sat May 12, 2018 3:02 pm

Keep in mind that a thought can be observed in AE, the moment it appears: Hi! Here is a thought! It is the content of this very thought you won’t find in AE.
Yes, I got that.
Is there a thinker of thought?
I don’t know if there is essential difference between a parrot and a man - both just imitate and repeat what they have heard and learned. So there’s no thinker of thoughts, but a programming telling what’s been fed to it.
Has there ever been a separate self doing anything?
Doing is also happening now by itself without a self. If there had been one before, where could have it gone? A self doesn’t exist now and never did: it’s a thought and about thoughts.
Is there a self in the body somewhere? Does it have a certain location, or feelings associated with it, or any other attributes? Is there a self that is inside the body, perceiving a world that is outside?
There are sensations felt in the body, and thoughts about them, but a sensation isn’t a self, and neither there is a self in the body that would be feeling sensations and thinking about them - it’s just experiencing happening.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Sat May 12, 2018 3:25 pm

Beautiful.
You seem to be pretty clear about the no separate self.

Would you say you've seen that there is no separate self for once and all?

Just in case you love a little weekend exercise:
Go out into nature and spend some time watching the movement of the whole. See how clouds move, trees swing, leaves wiggle, grass moves, insects, birds - all move all the time.
Then move focus to sensations and see how they too are in constant motion, thoughts come and go, sounds, colours, sensations come and go.
Notice that everything is part of one movement.

Then close your eyes and see if there is a line between you and out there, between you and life itself. If yes, where is the boundary?
Is there an inside and an outside of Life?
Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance?
Is witnessing part of the one movement too?
Is there anything which is not just happening?

Go out, come back and tell me what you found.

Love,
Jadzia

Aris53

Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Sun May 13, 2018 6:00 pm

Today I had a walk and sit down in a close by cemetery, where I don’t remember been before. Not many “I”s there except the buried ones. Grass already green, trees, flowers, birds, ants, butterflies and other flies and insects doing there thing under a warm sunny and almost windless sky with just a few clouds all in harmony, yes. Good day for the exercise when nature is waking from winter sleep.
Would you say you've seen that there is no separate self for once and all?
I know there isn’t one. Some thoughts about there being a separate self may still arise, but I see that they are only thoughts.
Is there an inside and an outside of Life?
No, everything is ‘inside of Life,’.
Is there something which is not included in the movement of the whole?
That’s not possible.
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance?
I wouldn’t say that there is any distances in experiencing, but there’s consciousness of experiencing.
Is witnessing part of the one movement too?
Yes, it’s within this experience.
Is there anything which is not just happening?
No, everything is happening, and it’s happening now all the time.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Sun May 13, 2018 6:39 pm

Today I had a walk and sit down in a close by cemetery, where I don’t remember been before. Not many “I”s there except the buried ones. Grass already green, trees, flowers, birds, ants, butterflies and other flies and insects doing there thing under a warm sunny and almost windless sky with just a few clouds all in harmony, yes. Good day for the exercise when nature is waking from winter sleep.
Spring is a beauty..
You might like to think about if all this creatures are really doing 'their' thing.
Is Aris doing 'his' thing? Or is action, movement happening?
Is there any difference or a line between Aris and these creatures, the grass, the green, the trees, flowers and so on?
Is there a witness that is watching life happening from a distance?
I wouldn’t say that there is any distances in experiencing, but there’s consciousness of experiencing.
If there is consciousness of experiencing then consciousness and experiencing would be two different things – this would point to the two being separated.
Could it be that experiencer, experience and the experienced are the same?
That we might talk about beingness just being?
Would you say you've seen that there is no separate self for once and all?
I know there isn’t one. Some thoughts about there being a separate self may still arise, but I see that they are only thoughts.
Sounds like mission accomplished, or?

Love,
Jadzia

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Re: Hello

Postby Aris53 » Mon May 14, 2018 5:26 pm

You might like to think about if all this creatures are really doing 'their' thing. Is Aris doing 'his' thing? Or is action, movement happening?
Actually there's movement happening - just can’t help it.
If there is consciousness of experiencing then consciousness and experiencing would be two different things – this would point to the two being separated. Could it be that experiencer, experience and the experienced are the same? That we might talk about beingness just being?
Yes, that makes sense. The only thing that can seemingly separate and create boundaries are thoughts about divisions.
Would you say you've seen that there is no separate self for once and all?
I know there isn’t one. Some thoughts about there being a separate self may still arise, but I see that they are only thoughts.
Sounds like mission accomplished, or?
“I” always wondered what the heck this is about and how can it be found out. “I’m” on it now, that may be called an accomplishment meaning realization of what AE is about - a mission of giving up missions in a way.

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Re: Hello

Postby Jadzia » Mon May 14, 2018 8:25 pm

What about this question?
Is there any difference or a line between Aris and these creatures, the grass, the green, the trees, flowers and so on?
The only thing that can seemingly separate and create boundaries are thoughts about divisions.
Yes, so true.
“I” always wondered what the heck this is about and how can it be found out. “I’m” on it now, that may be called an accomplishment meaning realization of what AE is about - a mission of giving up missions in a way.
Sometimes it is not a big shift realizing that there never was a self as one thought it to be, no controller, no thinker, no seer, no hearer, no feeler....no missions.

Are there any uncertainties or questions?

If not, and you are ready you can answer our final question. Other guides will read them and might ask questions.
There is still Aftercare on facebook and the option for further investigations at any time in this forum.

Love,
Jadzia


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