Re: Lingering Doubts
Posted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 4:01 am
P.S. I didn't mean for the quotes to format like that. My response to 1) is in the second quote box, before the next quotation, and my response to 4) comes after that.
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https://liberationunleashed.com:443/nation/
https://liberationunleashed.com:443/nation/viewtopic.php?t=6636
;)By the way, I knew the line about slippers was intended for me but missed the reference. Thanks for clarification.
It's okay with me how it is.p.s. No problem about the quote function. The questions and answers are clearly delineated. If you want to reformat the final version, fine. If not, also fine.
The illusion of separate self is that there is some kind of entity corresponding to my name and the words "I", "me", "mine", which exists primarily inside my head behind the eyes. From here, "I" observe experience and exert limited control over certain aspects of behaviour, such as thinking and moving the body.2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
Relatively unencumbered. Although the days are growing longer, it feels like time has recently begun to speed up. Less time gets spent fighting imaginary battles with myself before seeing happens and direct experience begins to predominate once more.There's a greater sense of lightness and playfulness to the present moment and the enjoyment I get from that makes time seem to go more quickly. It's possible to sit and do nothing, just looking and feeling and breathing without having to protect myself from anything or anyone else. Moments of defensiveness like that still happen for sure, but like I said, seeing happens and they're released. It's like noticing that I'm picking underneath a fingernail or itching a scab and then stopping. I know I'm just hurting myself for no reason other than it feels sort of good and distracts from any feelings of anxiety that might be present. It's much easier to just look at anxiety directly and see that there's no one who needs saving lurking somewhere behind that emotion.3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
These are all abstractions taken from stories about different actions, abilities or characteristics the "I" is meant to have or be able to make. Depending on the story that gets thought about the role or place "I" have in this world, I will have a different interpretation of how much choice or control I'm able to wield in different situations, and the more pain I will experience when circumstances seem to contradict that narrative. Of course, whether or not this narrative can be changed to realize more or greater freedom of the will is just another idea dreamt up about the "I" being able to decide its fate or control its circumstances. There's no one behind this experience pulling the strings to make dreams, feelings and interpretations happen who could possibly change them in order to produce any kind of better or more agreeable form of direct experience.5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
What is the direct experience of what you wrote above?Body, hands, keys, computers, screens, light waves, eyes, electricity, nerves and brain form a circuit of sensation and visual display referred to by but irreducible in experience to the word 'typing'."
A bird singing vibrates the air around it and that wave propagates across space to reach the ears where it shakes the fluid behind the tympanic membrane of the eardrum and is transmitted as a nervous signal to the brain which somehow results in its being heard here and now as the sound of its song.
That's alright. The guide raised a valid point after all. Sorry for inadvertantly making you all have to do homework. :'DMy apologies. I failed to read your answers as thoroughly as I should have and one of the other guides recommended that I ask you about this (and I agree)
A good half of the things I mentioned were in reality thought-content about how the possible processes making up those experiences might work, which was purely speculative. There was no direct experience of light and sound waves, a bird, inner ear fluid, an eardrum, electricity, space, nerve signals or a brain, only of thoughts of those things.What is the direct experience of what you wrote above?
! Does that mean you all think I'm through?It does!
You'll be getting a message soon from the Admin team giving you access to LU Aftercare and other groups.
Wow, Robyn. I'm honoured that you think so.By the way, I think you would make a good guide. Something to consider for now or in a while.
... -- RECEIVING LOVE - ..... ---..-- ... !: <3333333333333Sending love!
You're the one who determines if you're through the gate by taking on the final questions, but we look for areas that might be weak or unclear for you which could cause you difficulty in the process of integrating it all into life. There are no more questions for us about your having seen.! Does that mean you all think I'm through?
Yeah, I guess so if you want to be in the groups. You'll also need Facebook if you take up guiding.I'll have to make a Facebook account so the Admins have someone to give access to.
<3 You're lovely.Wow, Robyn. I'm honoured that you think so.
Totally! :-)I imagine helping other people see this must be a really good way of clarifying your own understanding too.
Wonderful that you want to. I was the same way about it. You'll get info int the message from the Admin team. If, for some reason you don't, just let me know.How do I sign up? :D !
Hehe yeah, of course.You're the one who determines if you're through the gate by taking on the final questions, but we look for areas that might be weak or unclear for you which could cause you difficulty in the process of integrating it all into life.
This is what I was wondering :)There are no more questions for us about your having seen.
Yeah, it's there like you said. Awesome!Wonderful that you want to. I was the same way about it. You'll get info int the message from the Admin team. If, for some reason you don't, just let me know.