mirage like self

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Wed Feb 21, 2018 9:47 pm

Hey
And what happens to the wanting when it is sat with?
But why is there no acceptance yet of this fact?
Can you accept on purpose? Try it. What happens?
Think of a lift with a voice that tells you what floor you are on. Does the voice control? Or accompany? Who or what is in in control?

Who or what becomes enlightened?
What wants to define enlightenment? To understand and/or control it?
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:57 pm

Hey Sarah,
Can you accept on purpose? Try it. What happens?
No, Acceptance can happen or not. There is no one controlling its happening.
Think of a lift with a voice that tells you what floor you are on. Does the voice control? Or accompany? Who or what is in in control?
This here is a good example that clears a lot. The voice is not controlling anything and it has no influence of the experiencing.
Who or what becomes enlightened?
No one becomes enlightened, this are just stories, and the seeing through this stories could happen.
What wants to define enlightenment? To understand and/or control it?
The idea of something wanting to define enlightenment appear and this is also seen through as a thought that has happend.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:56 pm

Hey
So what do you want?
What are you looking for?
What is wrong with right now?
Do not give me a non dual answer or say things you think I want to hear. I’m not interested in that. Give me an honest answer. You have contacted various other guides so what are you after that isn’t here right now. This process is always about honesty. About looking directly and being prepared TO look. It’s not about saying the right things, or passing a test. I’m not trying to be rude here. I want to know where you are.
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Sat Feb 24, 2018 10:56 am

Hey Sarah,

I have seen through the illusion of self. Here is again an expectation that for example after this seeing that egoism must disappear. That there could be no comparison between me and my collegs. that I could be compassionate after that. There is a feeling here that nothing has changed after seeing through this illusion. This confusion has conducted me to contact other guides. All this mistakes just happen. My head explode, there are a lot of questions that I have no answer to them. Is that normal? Is that the result of this journey?
Here are some examples of the questions that are terrorising me:
Does the brain exist or not?
If the brain does not exist, then I could not communiate with you and I coudn't be able take the decision to see through the illusion of self.
If the brain does exist then my reality will stay the same until a reconditioning take place.
Can you now see where I am?

Please help,
Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Mon Feb 26, 2018 8:40 am

Morning Ramses
I have seen through the illusion of self. Here is again an expectation that for example after this seeing that egoism must disappear. That there could be no comparison between me and my collegs. that I could be compassionate after that. There is a feeling here that nothing has changed after seeing through this illusion.

What is wrong with what you are already! You want to move from what you are to something else? What wants that?
Pick that apart? You have a list of what is considered ‘better’ like compassion. Where does good and bad come from?
What is wrong with right now. And what finds something wrong with right now!
Have you seen my strap line under all my posts? What does it mean?
My head explode, there are a lot of questions that I have no answer to them. Is that normal? Is that the result of this journey
?
Who or what wants to know? What needs a nice tidy answer? What wants to understand?
Here are some examples of the questions that are terrorising me: Does the brain exist or not? If the brain does not exist, then I could not communiate with you and I coudn't be able take the decision to see through the illusion of self. If the brain does exist then my reality will stay the same until a reconditioning take place.
Do you actually directly experience the brain? I’m not asking if it exists? I’m asking do you experience it? I’m not trying to prove either way.
Does communication happen regardless of whether you experience a brain!
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Mon Feb 26, 2018 4:32 pm

Morning Sarah,
What is wrong with what you are already! You want to move from what you are to something else? What wants that?
Pick that apart? You have a list of what is considered ‘better’ like compassion. Where does good and bad come from?
What is wrong with right now. And what finds something wrong with right now!
Have you seen my strap line under all my posts? What does it mean?
Just thought says that things are wrong and we must fix them. It is like a pendulum between understanding and not understanding. Your strap line under your posts means Who cares if there is understanding or not. All is just happening.
Who or what wants to know? What needs a nice tidy answer? What wants to understand?
It is always just the thought that says that.
Do you actually directly experience the brain? I’m not asking if it exists? I’m asking do you experience it? I’m not trying to prove either way.
Does communication happen regardless of whether you experience a brain!
You are very clever. You really know how to bring it on the point.
The direct experience of the brain is a thought. And communication happen regardless of whether I experience a brain or not, because there is no thing doing it. It just happen.

P.s. There is a thought here that says, that this process can’t be so simple and easy the see through.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:48 pm

Hey Ramses
You are very clever. You really know how to bring it on the point.
Well where does confusion happen? Where does suffering happen?
There is a thought here that says, that this process can’t be so simple and easy the see through.
It was never hidden. It’s always been there right under your nose. Waving!
What complicates?
Can the song understand the radio? Can the reflection understand the mirror? Can the wave the ocean?

Look at my strap line again.
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:28 pm

Hey Sarah,
Well where does confusion happen? Where does suffering happen?
Confusion and suffering happen here, always when we are lost in the content of thought.
What complicates?
Thoughts, or rather interpretations, opinions and judgments complicate.
Can the song understand the radio? Can the reflection understand the mirror? Can the wave the ocean?
No the song cannot understand the radio, because the song will not appear separate from the radio.
The reflection cannot appear without the mirror and the wave cannot appear or seems the exists separate from the ocean.
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.
After looking at your strap line again, it is now clear that who or what understand is just an overlay to the things happening.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 8:18 am

So, anymore questions?
Have you clearly seen through the illusion of self?
Has seeking ceased?
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Fri Mar 02, 2018 5:26 pm

Hey Sarah,
So, anymore questions?
There is a knowing here that all questions are a game that the illusory self plays to sustain his seemingly existance. Any questions would just extent the period to his complete dissolution. No, there is no more questions.
Have you clearly seen through the illusion of self?
Yes, there is no story teller here to be found. The seeing through the illusion of self has happened here.
Has seeking ceased?
For now the seeking has stopped. though There is a thought here that claims the opposite.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Fri Mar 02, 2018 6:16 pm

Hi Ramses
For now the seeking has stopped. though There is a thought here that claims the opposite.
Explore that. What is it made up of?
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:14 pm

Hi Sarah,

Explore that. What is it made up of?
Hi Sarah,
A thought is the actual experience of thought and when I am lost in the content of thought then there are problems. This means that when the thought claims the opposite, this is the beginning of the process of being lost in the content.

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Tue Mar 06, 2018 8:48 am

Morning Ramses
A thought is the actual experience of thought and when I am lost in the content of thought then there are problems. This means that when the thought claims the opposite, this is the beginning of the process of being lost in the content.
And is that a problem being lost in thought? Or is that also another thought commenting on what another thought should do? Which is funny!
How is life at the moment? How is your experiencing?
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Re: mirage like self

Postby Pharao » Tue Mar 06, 2018 5:25 pm

Morging Sarah,
And is that a problem being lost in thought? Or is that also another thought commenting on what another thought should do? Which is funny!
Being lost in thought is also another thought commenting on what another thought should do, which is perceived as it is.
How is life at the moment? How is your experiencing?
To be honest reading your responses always brings me back to the flow of life, as if it was a trigger or a reminder to investigate the illusory self. Being in daily life wipe me out from this investigation. It is a back and forth a back and forth again and again.

Ciao Ramses

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Re: mirage like self

Postby Sarah7 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 7:25 am

Hey Ramses
To be honest reading your responses always brings me back to the flow of life, as if it was a trigger or a reminder to investigate the illusory self. Being in daily life wipe me out from this investigation. It is a back and forth a back and forth again and again.
When you are at work see if you can check in on your direct experience? See if you can notice. Have a go. Especially if you are feeling stressed or angry or whatever is happening. If forgetting happens no worries, just try again when remembering happens!
Hugs Sarah xxx
If you understand, things are just as they are; if you do not understand, things are just as they are.


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