Bobu's journey

[Bobu]

Hi Kay.....its a pleasure working with you too.

Did you REALLY have any choice about being aware of all of that?

No none...awareness is always there...no matter what else going on...the sensations the hearing the seeing the tasting the smelling the thoughts are all in or aspects of awareness..

Did you have any choice about being aware of the thoughts, or the apparent closing of eyes, or the colour black?

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No it's always on the job no matter what's going on...

Could you have chosen not to have thoughts about closing eyes?

No once the request came into the seeing a thought came into awareness...unstoppable.

Could you have chosen for the colour to be green instead?

I'm laughing at that.....no chices....no chooser....it just went black...at your request.....still laughing......

If you can't choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?

Still laughing.......awareness has no controls...it just is......no form...no description...just is always there...i can't even say where is there.......it just is....

And if you can’t choose what you are aware of, is there a ‘doer’?

There's no I to do anything....except laugh my ass off.......like Martin Luther king said...free at last...

What “being” would you actually be referring to? Can you find a “being” anywhere?

The only thing I can find in AE...is awareness of the ongoing......what ever it is....right now it's laughing....

Kay dearest.....thank you SO very much......mate.....lolololol.....bobu....

[forgetmenot]

Hey Bobu - another terrific post!

Did you REALLY have any choice about being aware of all of that?

No none...awareness is always there...no matter what else going on...the sensations the hearing the seeing the tasting the smelling the thoughts are all in or aspects of awareness..

Okay…so let’s have a look to see if separation exists between experience and experiencer.

Close the eyes and just notice sound. Look carefully, is there a dividing line between the ‘hearer’ and the sound? Where does hearing end and sound begin?
You can do this with colour, sensation, taste, and smell as well. Where does 'seeing' end and colour begin and so on.

Could you have chosen not to have thoughts about closing eyes?

No once the request came into the seeing a thought came into awareness...unstoppable.

Yes. A thought is only known as it appears, so trying to stop a thought from appearing is impossible or even trying to push it away. It has already been seen!

In actual experience is there a border where a thought (‘known”) stops, and the "knowing" of it starts?

If you can't choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?

Still laughing.......awareness has no controls...it just is......no form...no description...just is always there...i can't even say where is there.......it just is....

Lovely! There is absolutely no difference, between what is referred to as "awareness", and what is referred to as "experience”. The idea that there is any difference is a pure thought construct, just empty abstractions referring to other empty abstractions. "Awareness/experience" is aware of itself, but "awareness" is not a thing/being.

And if you can’t choose what you are aware of, is there a ‘doer’?

There's no I to do anything....except laugh my ass off.......like Martin Luther king said...free at last...

Wonderful! :) Enjoy the laughter! :)

Okay, so it is clear that there is no thinker, chooser, decider, controller or doer?

Let’s have a look at the body!

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on thoughts or mental images:

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?

In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?
Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside, the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc.) before replying.

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi kay...i too am really grooving on this.....

Okay, so it is clear that there is no thinker, chooser, decider, controller or doer?

Yes remarkable so....

Can it be known how tall the body is?

No it's just there with out size there s nothing else there..

Does the body have a weight or volume?

No weight or volume....a sensation is all I can sense and sound..and some changes in the color ...

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?

No there is no edge or boundry...just sensation where things are touching...but I cant locate where what's touching and what's touched begin or end.....

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

No simply more sensations......a thought says this is the bed...but AE....no only sensation....

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - inside of what exactly?

It looks vast and includes everything.....i didn't look past sensations because I couldn't find any thing past them..they were like an energy of brighter intensity than the rest of what was available....no inside or outside.....one thing.....ill do this more....

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

A thought....a concept I was told about....and its in memory....

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Ok with eyes closed it was space, energy, formless with areas of stronger sensation...
I'll take a look at what actual expirience will show me during the day tomorrow ...right now sitting typing ...its colors thoughts sensations sounds smells..apearing in awareness....


Thank you Kay.....this self is losing alot of weight in beliefs......lololol.......see you tomorrow...xoxo....

[forgetmenot]

Hey Bobu,

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?

A thought....a concept I was told about....and its in memory....

Where exactly is this “I” that was told about the ‘concept of the body’?

Memory is a conceptual framework that suggests there is a storage system where thoughts and images are retrieved….however, can you find this ‘storage system’ anywhere?

What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Ok with eyes closed it was space, energy, formless with areas of stronger sensation...

The AE of a body is thought. Is the body ever seen in full, or only parts of the body are seen at various stages? Can you see a head or a face, eyes or mouth? And when looking straight ahead…what of the body is actually seen?



Let's have a look and see if is there a dividing line and/or gap/space/distance between what is labelled the body and other objects.

Sit and look at the ‘body’. What is there but colour (we are only looking at colour for this exercise)? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘body’ and the colour labelled ‘chair’? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘chair’ and the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’ and the colour labelled ‘wall’?

Are there many different colourS? Can a dividing line be found between different colourS, or is there only just colour?

Is there actually a gap/space/distance between the body and the chair, and between the chair and the floor and between the floor and the wall?


Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay....

Where exactly is this “I” that was told about the ‘concept of the body’?

I knew when I wrote that it was tacky but it seemed to sufice for what I was trying to say.......i hadn't found an i.........

Memory is a conceptual framework that suggests there is a storage system where thoughts and images are retrieved….however, can you find this ‘storage system’ anywhere?

Well let's look..........i see pictures and words and sensations when thoughts of the past come up....and if attention is applied to the sensation...thought arise seemingly connected to the sensation....thats the closest thing found or defined as a storage system.......in AE....i don't see anything like an analog series of pictures and words that can be run back through a past ex pirience.

The AE of a body is thought. Is the body ever seen in full, or only parts of the body are seen at various stages? Can you see a head or a face, eyes or mouth? And when looking straight ahead…what of the body is actually seen?

No it can't be done........and the sensations of the eyes closed had parts unavailable to sense........although an all encompassing
Vibration seemed to be present........when seeing straight ahead nothing of the body can be seen unless hands are held into the field of vision...

Sit and look at the ‘body’. What is there but colour (we are only looking at colour for this exercise)? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘body’ and the colour labelled ‘chair’? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘chair’ and the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’ and the colour labelled ‘wall’?

The colour changes....somtime abrupty....otheres less defined......shadows are colour changes.......

Are there many different colourS? Can a dividing line be found between different colourS, or is there only just colour?

Lots of colours.... I can't find any devision........

Thanks Kay..........

[forgetmenot]

Hey Bobu,

Memory is a conceptual framework that suggests there is a storage system where thoughts and images are retrieved….however, can you find this ‘storage system’ anywhere?

Well let's look..........i see pictures and words and sensations when thoughts of the past come up....and if attention is applied to the sensation...thought arise seemingly connected to the sensation....thats the closest thing found or defined as a storage system.......in AE....i don't see anything like an analog series of pictures and words that can be run back through a past ex pirience.

And how is it known exactly, that these pictures, words and sensations are memories from the past?

When are these pictures, words and sensations actually appearing?

The AE of a body is thought. Is the body ever seen in full, or only parts of the body are seen at various stages? Can you see a head or a face, eyes or mouth? And when looking straight ahead…what of the body is actually seen?

No it can't be done........and the sensations of the eyes closed had parts unavailable to sense........although an all encompassing
Vibration seemed to be present........when seeing straight ahead nothing of the body can be seen unless hands are held into the field of vision...

Yes, and all encompassing vibration seems to be present….but do the vibrations claim to be a body or only thoughts claim that the vibrations are a body? Does colour claim to be a body or only thoughts claim that colour are a body?

Do the exercise with the eyes open and see how much of the body can be seen. If you look at the body…yes, body parts can be seen, but can you see the back, the bum, the head, the face etc? So is an actual body ever seen or only parts of the body at any given time? Even if you see another person, can you ever see their body in its entirety? When you see the front of them, can you see their back, bum etc?

Sit and look at the ‘body’. What is there but colour (we are only looking at colour for this exercise)? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘body’ and the colour labelled ‘chair’? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘chair’ and the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’? Is there a dividing line between the colour labelled ‘floor/rug’ and the colour labelled ‘wall’?

The colour changes....somtime abrupty....otheres less defined......shadows are colour changes.......

Whether or not the labels of/about colour changes appear, can you find a dividing line between colours, or is it only thought labels that divide colour into many different colourS?

Are there many different colourS? Can a dividing line be found between different colourS, or is there only just colour?

Lots of colours.... I can't find any devision........

If there is no division…then how can there be many different colours? If you drop all colour labels are there many different colourS or just colour which thought labels as pink, green, purple etc? Are not all seeming colourS made from the same ‘substance’, no matter what hue they appear as?


You did not answer this question ….can you answer it please.

Is there actually a gap/space/distance between the body and the chair, and between the chair and the floor and between the floor and the wall?

In other words......

..... if you ignore all thoughts about colourS and objects including all colour and object labels, can a gap/space/distance be found?


Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hey hey Kay,

and how is it known exactly, that these pictures, words and sensations are memories from the past?

A thought or insight.....they seem to fit the story......

When are these pictures, words and sensations actually appearing?

In the present moment......there is no other..

Yes, and all encompassing vibration seems to be present….but do the vibrations claim to be a body or only thoughts claim that the vibrations are a body? Does colour claim to be a body or only thoughts claim that colour are a body?

Thoughts from the pointing labeled it...while looking no lable was present at all ....same with colours.....if a thought didn't arise with this is my hand or foot ...its colours

Whether or not the labels of/about colour changes appear, can you find a dividing line between colours, or is it only thought labels that divide colour into many different colourS?

Thought labels and many is also a lable.........as seeing is directed over an area the center focal point seems sourouned by other areas of colour....it takes thought to distinguish and lable what's seen.......adding dimension and perspective....also thought....without the thought it all one big mass of colour ..no division.....

If there is no division…then how can there be many different colours? If you drop all colour labels are there many different colourS or just colour which thought labels as pink, green, purple etc? Are not all seeming colourS made from the same ‘substance’, no matter what hue they appear as?

Quantity is a l able thought provides.....yes the substance is one thing......awareness sees it ...thougt interprets it into seperate things....colous...shapes...

Is there actually a gap/space/distance between the body and the chair, and between the chair and the floor and between the floor and the wall?

In other words......

..... if you ignore all thoughts about colourS and objects including all colour and object labels, can a gap/space/distance be found?

I looked at these pointings and questions...at first a thought arose that I know what I see....so I looked and looked.....a thought doesn't KNOW ...anything...there is no I thinking....there is no gap in the vision of colour ..........
This is wild....unlearning is a bazaar expirience...revealing ....

Later gator....you are good at this.....thank you Kay......xoxo....

[forgetmenot]

Hi Bobu,

and how is it known exactly, that these pictures, words and sensations are memories from the past?

A thought or insight.....they seem to fit the story......

And what is the AE of a story?
Does thought know anything about a past?

When are these pictures, words and sensations actually appearing?

In the present moment......there is no other..

Yes, so how then could they possibly be referencing a past? It may seem like they are, but where is the evidence that what is appearing now as a thought and image actually happened in the past?

Whether or not the labels of/about colour changes appear, can you find a dividing line between colours, or is it only thought labels that divide colour into many different colourS?

Thought labels and many is also a lable.........as seeing is directed over an area the center focal point seems sourouned by other areas of colour....it takes thought to distinguish and lable what's seen.......adding dimension and perspective....also thought....without the thought it all one big mass of colour ..no division.....

Yes, it is seamless….with no divisions at all.
So, is there thought AND sound AND colour AND smell AND sensation AND taste or is there just thoughtsoundcoloursmellsensationtaste?

If there is no division…then how can there be many different colours? If you drop all colour labels are there many different colourS or just colour which thought labels as pink, green, purple etc? Are not all seeming colourS made from the same ‘substance’, no matter what hue they appear as?

Quantity is a l able thought provides.....yes the substance is one thing......awareness sees it ...thougt interprets it into seperate things....colous...shapes...

How exactly does ‘awareness’ see substance? Do the body’s eyes see? Is there ‘awareness’ AND experience. Let’s call awareness ‘knowing’ and sound, colour, etc as ‘known’. Is there a dividing line between ‘knowing’ and ‘known’?

Is there actually a gap/space/distance between the body and the chair, and between the chair and the floor and between the floor and the wall?
In other words......
..... if you ignore all thoughts about colourS and objects including all colour and object labels, can a gap/space/distance be found?

I looked at these pointings and questions...at first a thought arose that I know what I see....so I looked and looked.....a thought doesn't KNOW ...anything...there is no I thinking....there is no gap in the vision of colour ..........

Great, so is the ‘body’ separate to the floor, the wall, the chair etc…or is it all seamless colour which thought divides into objects?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay...got a virus from face book yesterday...wiped everything off my tab...im back

And what is the AE of a story?
Does thought know anything about a past?

It seems to....it references yesterday and 2 minutes ago and my card numbers....and this question so I can answer it...

Yes, so how then could they possibly be referencing a past? It may seem like they are, but where is the evidence that what is appearing now as a thought and image actually happened in the past

This is confusing......there are scars and police reports...thats evidence.......in the present movement...in ae....these things still are present......

o, is there thought AND sound AND colour AND smell AND sensation AND taste or is there just thoughtsoundcoloursmellsensationtaste?

No nothing is seperate...it all goes on all the time... never one then the other.....a flow of data....not separated from awareness...on function...

How exactly does ‘awareness’ see substance? Do the body’s eyes see? Is there ‘awareness’ AND experience. Let’s call awareness ‘knowing’ and sound, colour, etc as ‘known’. Is there a dividing line between ‘knowing’ and ‘known’?

As this is read the info and what seems it is one thing....i can't find a space..a break in the flow.....a thing seen and the seer...

Great, so is the ‘body’ separate to the floor, the wall, the chair etc…or is it all seamless colour which thought divides into objects? and

I'm looking and as colour it's one image...thought arise at the same time designating what the colours appear to be....

Thanks Kay.....xoxo....bobu

An added note...if the scars are colours and the police report is the same....and the sensation arent connected to anything besides colours...then there is no evidence....but that's not the experience of honestly looking....thats seems suggested...

[forgetmenot]

Hello Bobu.

got a virus from face book yesterday...wiped everything off my tab...im back

That sucks!

And what is the AE of a story?
Does thought know anything about a past?

It seems to....it references yesterday and 2 minutes ago and my card numbers....and this question so I can answer it...

Yes, it SEEMS to and “seems” = thought. So thought references “yesterday”, it references tomorrow as well, and it references colour as the body! If thought references a fairy, does that make what it is referencing actually true? The idea of time and change appear…yes, but that doesn’t make them so.

Have a look at the second hand on a clock. It seems to be changing. But can you find 10 seconds ago in actual experience? 5 seconds? 1 second? Keep noticing that change is always only a story about some experience "prior to this". But only THIS can be found. How could there have been another experience at all? Where has it gone to?

Yes, so how then could they possibly be referencing a past? It may seem like they are, but where is the evidence that what is appearing now as a thought and image actually happened in the past

This is confusing......there are scars and police reports...thats evidence.......in the present movement...in ae....these things still are present......

What is the AE of scars?

The label ‘scars’ is the AE of thought and not the AE of scars
The thoughts ABOUT scars is the AE of thought and not the AE of scars
The image labelled ‘scars’ is the AE of colour and not the AE of scars.

So where in actual experience are scars found?

Are police reports appearing right now? And even if they were…what is the AE of police reports? The AE is colour…as the file and the written words are AE of colour and not the AE of a police report. Yes, in the ‘dream’, police reports appear…but when you look at what is actually appearing…colour is actually appearing.

We are not denying what appears in the ‘dream’, but seeing it for what it actually is (the AE of colour)…and that all appearances are appearances in/of THIS/experience/awareness itself. There is no object/subject split. THIS appears as many things, but does not know itself as those seeming objects…it only knows itself as itself.

How exactly does ‘awareness’ see substance? Do the body’s eyes see? Is there ‘awareness’ AND experience. Let’s call awareness ‘knowing’ and sound, colour, etc as ‘known’. Is there a dividing line between ‘knowing’ and ‘known’?

As this is read the info and what seems it is one thing....i can't find a space..a break in the flow.....a thing seen and the seer...

Where does the ‘seer’ end and the ‘seen’ begin?
That points to there being an experiencer of experience which = two. There is no separation in any shape or form, no matter what thoughts says.

In other words where does ‘knowing’ (aka experience/awareness) end and the ‘known’ (sound, thought, smell, taste, sensation, colour) begin?

Great, so is the ‘body’ separate to the floor, the wall, the chair etc…or is it all seamless colour which thought divides into objects? and

I'm looking and as colour it's one image...thought arise at the same time designating what the colours appear to be....

Yes, exactly “thought arise at the same time designating what the colours appear to be”. So without thought, all that is appearing is colour.

An added note...if the scars are colours and the police report is the same....and the sensation arent connected to anything besides colours...then there is no evidence....but that's not the experience of honestly looking....thats seems suggested...

This isn’t about police reports disappearing or scars disappearing or the story about a character disappearing or changing! This exploration is about seeing what actually IS - that doesn’t mean that what has ‘happened’ in the dream is going to change or look different. Perception changes….not the form.

Are you “honestly looking” or are you thinking? I am not trying to convince you of anything, all I am doing is pointing. If you LOOK and see more than colour and thoughts about colour, then so be it. Knowing about something is thought while the knowing AS (the appearance) is direct.

The following is a dream analogy of how all time is contained in an instant.
In the opening instant of a dream you find the 1st person dream character speeding along a highway towards the airport, because he is late for his holiday flight, because his wife couldn't find her passport.
Now you will notice that this is just the opening instant of the dream, yet it contains a whole "history" of being a person who is an adult and is married to a woman who left her passport behind, etc. It contains "memories" of having the drama with the lost passport, and it has a whole imaginary future too, in the flight and the holiday.
Do you see the analogy that is being drawn?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi KAY.

Have a look at the second hand on a clock. It seems to be changing. But can you find 10 seconds ago in actual experience? 5 seconds? 1 second? Keep noticing that change is always only a story about some experience "prior to this". But only THIS can be found. How could there have been another experience at all? Where has

No it's a memory ...a thought......

So where in actual experience are scars found?

On my face now......i n thought now....in sensation now.....the labels are here now....along with the non conceptual colour and sensation....so memory is a dream ? Ok I can see that.....it doesn't exist now....like the past.....ok I'm a bit shocked at this and it took a lot of looking to adjust or absorb this reality....fucking he'll this was like pulling a tooth ....

Where does the ‘seer’ end and the ‘seen’ begin?

I'm looking and I can't find any place they don't change from one to the other........im still recalling from the last answer....

Do you see the analogy that is being drawn?

That don't leave room to squirm out of the realization that even this effort is in the fucking dream.....in this dream who wakes up?

So for today dear Kay ill say zzzzzzzzzzzzholy shit....love you.....xoxo

[forgetmenot]

Hey Bobu!

Great job in LOOKING. If you notice any fear or other so-called negative emotions appearing due to this exploration...please let me know.

So where in actual experience are scars found?

On my face now......i n thought now....in sensation now.....the labels are here now....along with the non conceptual colour and sensation....so memory is a dream ? Ok I can see that.....it doesn't exist now....like the past.....ok I'm a bit shocked at this and it took a lot of looking to adjust or absorb this reality....fucking he'll this was like pulling a tooth ....

The label ‘memory’ is just another word for the label ‘past’. There can’t be memory without it referencing a past! Just like in a dream, the dream trees are not the result of dream seeds that were planted in an imaginary past.

What face exactly? Yes, there is an appearance of a face…but when you look beyond what thought says….is a face actually known?

Colour labelled ‘face/scar’ is known
Sensation labelled ‘face/scar' is known (when face/scar is touched)
Thought about/of an ‘face/scar’ is known
However, is a face/scar' actually known?

This image is to help point out the difference between actual experience and the stories thought tells about experience.

That's got to be Albert Einstein, right?



Notice that all that's actually present in the picture are some colours. That's all that's there, colour. Thought then labels these colours as hair, tongue, moustache, nose, eyes, eyebrows, mouth, ears, face and head and a story about this head being that of Albert Einsten.

The image of Einstein is just a story. There is no Einstein of any kind present. Just a story.

Now notice that thought is doing this with everything. In fact, without thought, there wouldn't even seem to be any things.

Let’s have a deeper look at the body.

Please follow each step, don't leave out any. Take your time. Don't move to the next step until the previous one is clearly seen. Repeat the exercise several times.

Stand in front of a bigger mirror.

(1) First, close the eyes and feel the sensations labelled ‘body’.

(2) Then open the eyes and look into the mirror while still paying attention to the sensations.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?


(3) While still paying attention to the sensations move one hand and observe the movement from the mirror.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

(4) Now do the same movement with the hand, but this time look at the hand directly, not from the mirror.

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and the image ‘of movement’?
Or only thoughts suggest it?

(5) Now, pay attention only to the image in the mirror.

Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?
Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all?
Or are there only colours and shapes?

(6) Where the mirror ends, some parts of the body (probably legs) cannot be seen.

Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

(7) Now turn away from the mirror and look forward (don’t look directly to any body parts).

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

(8) Start to walk slowly.

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?

Where does the ‘seer’ end and the ‘seen’ begin?

I'm looking and I can't find any place they don't change from one to the other........im still recalling from the last answer....

Nice LOOKING. Just to explore that further…

…it is believed that both 'visual sight' and 'mental images' are coming from the eyes, because when it's investigated the attention automatically goes to the sensation 'of the eyes', and at the same time the image 'of the eyes' appear with it.

So another SENSE of self is linked to the sensation 'of the eyes'.

What are the eyes in the actual experience?
A sensation + a mental image, right?

Can sight come from a sensation?
Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?

Can a 'mental image' come from a sensation?
Can a 'mental image' come from another mental image (of the eyes)?

Do you see the analogy that is being drawn?

That don't leave room to squirm out of the realization that even this effort is in the fucking dream.....in this dream who wakes up?

In a supposed night time dream it may have seemed like the dream character was aware, right? Is the character in a dream actually aware? The 'waking character' is in no way different from the 'dream character'. None of them are aware, only ‘you’ (not Bobu) are.

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay,, new day,

Colour labelled ‘face/scar’ is known
Sensation labelled ‘face/scar' is known (when face/scar is touched)
Thought about/of an ‘face/scar’ is known
However, is a face/scar' actually known?

No the the things that refer to the scar are not the scar....there for the scar isn't known.....

Is there any connection between the felt sensations and the image in the mirror?
Or just thoughts (and/or mental images) suggest that there is?

No connection or relationship can be found.....thoughts are the giver of definition to both these expirience.....

Is there any connection between the felt sensations (labelled ‘hand’) and image of movement in the mirror?

No connection....the image of hand had no connection to the sensation...the occurred and the same time but without thought labels they were seperate and ongoing ....i didn't even see the hand as mine.....just a shape of colour.......wild...the sensation I focused on altered perception of hand....it didn't even appear s eperate from the colours around the shape labeled hand

Does the image by itself suggest in any way that is ‘you’ or ‘your body’?
Does the image itself suggest in any way that it is a ‘body’ at all?
Or are there only colours and shapes

No it doent.......its a bunch of colours I'm what's looking at it....no it's an image.....
Yes it's shapes and colours.....

Just by the image in the mirror, is there any ‘knowledge’ that there must be legs, or only thoughts and mental images suggest so?

This is funny....i paint and see how a head and shoulders image suggest the whole image is there.....
With out thoughts and pictures there is no anything outside the image in AE.....

Is there a ‘body’ anywhere when all thoughts and images are ignored, or are there only sensations?

No there sensations obviously even as I press this screen...the sensations continue...lolol....

Is there a ‘body walking’, or are there only sensations?
Is there actual experience of ‘walking’ at all?
Or just THOUGHTS ABOUT ‘walking’?
Can such a thing as ‘body’ be found OR just THOUGHTS ABOUT a ‘body’?
Can such a thing as ‘walking’ be found?

This is a strange observation.....in AE......THERE ARE SENSATIONS.....walking is a label applied to these sensations but ...focused on sensation there is no walking or body...even as legs move...sensation doesnt.

(9) Are the sensations localized in space, like ‘going through the room’; OR is there only an image that is labelled ‘room’ and appearing sensations without any location?

Yeah I see this already....this is really wierd.....thought references and labels actions and environment...but they don't exist in AE..WITHOUT THE narrator of the action.......

Can sight come from a sensation?
Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?

Can a 'mental image' come from a sensation?
Can a 'mental image' come from another mental image (of the eyes)?

Sight doesn't come from sensation...
images don't see
I do see images arise from sensation...
No


Thanks Kay...this was a revelation..........lots of love headed your way.....bobu

[forgetmenot]

Hey Bobu....thank you for the love! <3 :)

It is great to see that you are having fun with all of this LOOKING, and that you see it so clearly. It does make guiding fun too!

Okay...I have no more body questions for you. If you have any questions...please ask, otherwise is what the body actually is, seen clearly?

Let's have a look at a look at time and memory, as it seems that they are culprits, just like the idea of the body that keeps regurgitating the idea of there being a separate self. Although we have already done some work on these...let's just make sure there is no confusion. Let's look at memory first.

Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened. That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.

What is memory exactly – please don’t go to thought explanation, but just let a memory be there, and look at it…

What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?

WHEN does the future thought appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?

Look at what is actually going on and not what thoughts say… but what actually is.


Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay....

Okay...I have no more body questions for you. If you have any questions...please ask, otherwise is what the body actually is, seen clearly?

It can't be seen as a thing.......its pictures in thoughts....sensation and seeing parts of what's believed to be a body and this believe is a thought....

What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?

The memory is a thought......it appears pretty much when thoughts are present......even future reference is thought rooted in memory......interesting.!,,!!

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Thoughts arise to accopany the so called memory to verify it and give it a time frame with pictures and words.....

Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?

Yep it's all this thought process constructing associations based in language....and pictures arising in present time in ae...like I'm seeing writing this.......

WHEN does the future thought appear?

This is interesting....it appears in response to a thought the proceeds it...a question I'm not clear on this...but that what I see when I look

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

It's not known at all.....its a thought that is believed...and that's a thought too......

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?

It looks like it's all thought accompanied by more thoughts that claim reference points...i can't see a difference in them although I see sensation accompanying the references..plesent or other wise......more please!!

Thank you Kay....love headed down under to you mate...those thoughts had picture of a sphere with picture of a Kay and a bobu on opposite sides sending and recieving....lolololol.....xoxo