crap NO just another thot appearance in AE and a thought claiming that happened.Now a thought appearing wanting to point to "at the time"it was different. crazy, what a trip!!. And can anything be found in AE that can have “attention pulled sharply away”?
What exactly is it that has “attention”, or is that just another appearing thought?
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WOW planning,problem solving, strategizing.So a sound appears in AE asking for directions.a a thought appears as sound inAE giving directions along with other sensations and a thought claiming doership and thinker.And all r thoughts appearing in AE out of fking nowhere WOW plus sensations and sound appearing inAE all squished together WOW.
Is not the thought “I will think …………” (fill in the blank), also just another appearing thought?
Can anything be found in AE that is thinking?
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easyone no never. unless the thought "i am bored "and the thought "some drama in order"appeared haha but alas there is only the thought of a chooser. And if you could choose thoughts, would you ever choose to have negative, painful or fearful thoughts?
Thnx kay
Allen-:))
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Hey Allen!
Knowing ABOUT something is thought, while the knowing AS (the appearance) is direct.
One way to see the funny side to thought is to mentally see a thought in the ‘minds eyes’. So, bring to ‘mind’ the thought “I am a person”.
What is actually there are letters which make up that thought….right?
So can letters (ie the thought) know anything about being a person?
Fear, anxiety and panic do appear when doing this exploration. Don’t push it away but become aware of what the fear is about. Generally it is the fear of not knowing what will happen when it is seen that there is no separate individual. The fear of disappearing, not knowing who/what you are, what changes will/won’t occur, what will happen to relationships etc appear, as well as the fear of ‘getting it’ or not ‘getting it’! This is normal.
When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
This process is not ABOUT denying or bypassing the sensations or pushing them aside. It is about seeing what they are and addressing them.
Yes….the “I” thought appears claiming ‘doership’ and thinking, as well as controlling, choosing and deciding and takes responsibility for everything! And yet, if you look at the label “I”…what is it exactly? It is just a letter and appearing thought story ABOUT an “I” which is fiction!
Can anyone/anything be found in AE that is responsible for choosing or deciding anything? If there is no thinker of thought and thought just appears…and there such a thing as free will and is there anyone/anything that desires/wants/needs free will?
What exactly is it that could be “bored”? Can you find anyone in AE that is “bored” or has “drama”? OR for that matter, can you find anyone that has problems, that is strategising or problem solving! :)
Love, Kay
xx
Yes, thoughts are an appearance in/as THIS, just as soundsensationtastesmellcolour is an appearance in/as THIS, but thoughts know nothing.No only another thought appearing claiming knowing. only another thought would claim awareness. No only a thought of I would claim picking and choosingThoughts will appear saying lots of stuff…but does thought know anything? Is thought aware of anything? Can you pick and choose what thoughts appear
Knowing ABOUT something is thought, while the knowing AS (the appearance) is direct.
One way to see the funny side to thought is to mentally see a thought in the ‘minds eyes’. So, bring to ‘mind’ the thought “I am a person”.
What is actually there are letters which make up that thought….right?
So can letters (ie the thought) know anything about being a person?
Terrific…love the way you are LOOKING to see what is actually appearing and ‘when’ it is appearing.not totally yet. there is a thought appearing as panic hmmmm..... and yes just thoughts appearing. And not at the time hmmm....that is just another thought appearing about panic and "at the time" Now seen as thoughts appearing now yes yesYes and are those rampant thoughts just seen as thoughts that are appearing, and are just pointing to more thought stories?
Fear, anxiety and panic do appear when doing this exploration. Don’t push it away but become aware of what the fear is about. Generally it is the fear of not knowing what will happen when it is seen that there is no separate individual. The fear of disappearing, not knowing who/what you are, what changes will/won’t occur, what will happen to relationships etc appear, as well as the fear of ‘getting it’ or not ‘getting it’! This is normal.
When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
This process is not ABOUT denying or bypassing the sensations or pushing them aside. It is about seeing what they are and addressing them.
Yes! At what “time” exactly?! The thought ABOUT “attention pulled sharply away” is appearing NOW, there is no ‘before’ NOW or ‘after’ now or ‘present’ now. There is only THIS appearing AS thoughtsensationtastesmellsoundcolour.crap NO just another thot appearance in AE and a thought claiming that happened.Now a thought appearing wanting to point to "at the time"it was different. crazy, what a trip!!And can anything be found in AE that can have “attention pulled sharply away”?
What exactly is it that has “attention”, or is that just another appearing thought?
So a sound appears which thought says is “asking for directions”. Sound can’t ask for direction! If you drop all thoughts, ideas and mental images about the sound called ‘voice’, how is it known that it is a voice and that the voice is “asking for directions”? Is it not just sound?WOW planning, problem solving, strategizing. So a sound appears in AE asking for directions. a a thought appears as sound in AE giving directions along with other sensations and a thought claiming doership and thinker. And all r thoughts appearing in AE out of fking nowhere WOW plus sensations and sound appearing in AE all squished together WOWIs not the thought “I will think …………” (fill in the blank), also just another appearing thought? Can anything be found in AE that is thinking?
Yes….the “I” thought appears claiming ‘doership’ and thinking, as well as controlling, choosing and deciding and takes responsibility for everything! And yet, if you look at the label “I”…what is it exactly? It is just a letter and appearing thought story ABOUT an “I” which is fiction!
Can anyone/anything be found in AE that is responsible for choosing or deciding anything? If there is no thinker of thought and thought just appears…and there such a thing as free will and is there anyone/anything that desires/wants/needs free will?
So I want you to LOOK very carefully here. How is it known that a sensation, sound, taste, thought, smell and colour are ALL different experiences? Where does thought stop and sensation begin? Where does sound stop and colour begin?And all r thoughts appearing in AE out of fking nowhere WOW plus sensations and sound appearing in AE all squished together WOW
Yes…there are only thoughts of a chooser! Excellent!easyone no never. unless the thought "i am bored "and the thought "some drama in order" appeared haha but alas there is only the thought of a chooserAnd if you could choose thoughts, would you ever choose to have negative, painful or fearful thoughts?
What exactly is it that could be “bored”? Can you find anyone in AE that is “bored” or has “drama”? OR for that matter, can you find anyone that has problems, that is strategising or problem solving! :)
Love, Kay
xx
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.
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yes very benign when looking at AE and no cant know anything like words on paper in AE or floating in space more acurately. What is actually there are letters which make up that thought….right?
So can letters (ie the thought) know anything about being a person?
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located in stomach and chest and yes thoughts appearing about the meaning.scrared of colorimage being all that makes up the body/Allen where the awareness is happening.and that awareness has never not always been there.Now thoughts arise in AE about awareness ,alwaysbeen there,meaning,all thoughts and yet some point to something. Ahhh...sensation labeled fear,panic and then more thoughts inAE trying to control previous thoughts. No wonder sensations appearing in AE.they r just thoughts appearing in AE and can't do anything. What a darn squirrel cage of appearances.seems like sensations need a cause?so thought gets busy trying to find one and eliminate sensation if unpleasant and prolong if thought says enjoyable?? And all of THESE THOUGHTS r just appearing in AE NOW!!!.When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
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yes just sound and the sounds appear in AE like thoughts. Cant see a difference in AE.wait no just sound appearing and thought appearing almost same time crap. So a sound appears which thought says is “asking for directions”. Sound can’t ask for direction! If you drop all thoughts, ideas and mental images about the sound called ‘voice’, how is it known that it is a voice and that the voice is “asking for directions”? Is it not just sound
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No not in AE just appearances.thoughts cant do anything not even point.that would be another thought appearing as the thought pointing.so....what the hell is happening then.sound is itself,sensation is just appearing,taste,color. No appearance in AE does anything except appear.hmmm....cant be.yet a thought appears as "something is answering these questions" and that is just another thought appearing. It never never stops aaahhhgggg!!. Can anyone/anything be found in AE that is responsible for choosing or deciding anything? If there is no thinker of thought and thought just appears…and there such a thing as free will and is there anyone/anything that desires/wants/needs free will?
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No there is nothing to have free will only a thought appearing with empty claim.now to this question.so only thought would say that.let me look some more.it cant be known as they are all appearing in AE spaceness.they all appear when they appear all at same time.no line or boundry wait... no difference just AE!!!!!!!Wait even a thought appearing to separate soundtastecolorsensation is part of the whole experience.actually thought cant separate anything cant do anything except appear as thought. WOWWWW!!!!.
So I want you to LOOK very carefully here. How is it known that a sensation, sound, taste, thought, smell and colour are ALL different experiences? Where does thought stop and sensation begin? Where does sound stop and colour begin?
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Hey Allen,
Once again you have done some fantastic LOOKING. I wanted to address 'fear' further before responding to the other questions you answered.
Sensation are sensations and thoughts are thought. So sensation appears AS actual experience as does thought. But what thought says the sensation is, ie fear and what thought say ABOUT fear is just a story.
Can you see this?
And yes, there seems to be a desire to hold onto or maintain certain sensations that are labelled, happiness, joy, excitement, bliss, peace and so on, and an aversion to the sensations called fear, panic, sadness, grief, boredom etc, which we try and deflect by distracting through busyness, TV, eating, talking etc, or by projecting them onto ‘others’.
Just to qualify that thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound appear AS AE and not IN AE. That would mean that they are contained in something and that there is a something that appears in something = two. Can anything be found that contains thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound (AE)?
Love, Kay
xx
Once again you have done some fantastic LOOKING. I wanted to address 'fear' further before responding to the other questions you answered.
I don’t follow what you are saying here, Allen. You mean awareness of where the sensations are happening in the body and that there hasn’t been an awareness of the sensations being in the body before?located in stomach and chest and yes thoughts appearing about the meaning. scrared of colorimage being all that makes up the body/Allen where the awareness is happening. and that awareness has never not always been there..When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
I don’t follow this either. Can you explain what you mean please?Now thoughts arise in AE about awareness ,always been there, meaning, all thoughts and yet some point to something.
So, some thought points to AE in that the label ‘fear’ points to a sensation in the body? Is that what you are saying: and that other thoughts just point to further thought story ABOUT fear?Ahhh...sensation labeled fear, panic and then more thoughts in AE trying to control previous thoughts.
I am not quite sure what you are saying here either.No wonder sensations appearing in AE. they r just thoughts appearing in AE and can't do anything.
Sensation are sensations and thoughts are thought. So sensation appears AS actual experience as does thought. But what thought says the sensation is, ie fear and what thought say ABOUT fear is just a story.
Can you see this?
Yes, thought SEEMS to go hunting for the cause of sensation and will usually find a story to ‘pin’ it on and the story is usually about the past or the future. If you LOOK to see what is actually appearing NOW, all you will find is thoughtsensation. Can what is seemingly feared be found NOW at all?What a darn squirrel cage of appearances. seems like sensations need a cause? so thought gets busy trying to find one and eliminate sensation if unpleasant and prolong if thought says enjoyable?? And all of THESE THOUGHTS r just appearing in AE NOW!!!
And yes, there seems to be a desire to hold onto or maintain certain sensations that are labelled, happiness, joy, excitement, bliss, peace and so on, and an aversion to the sensations called fear, panic, sadness, grief, boredom etc, which we try and deflect by distracting through busyness, TV, eating, talking etc, or by projecting them onto ‘others’.
Just to qualify that thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound appear AS AE and not IN AE. That would mean that they are contained in something and that there is a something that appears in something = two. Can anything be found that contains thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound (AE)?
So, was anything found lurking underneath or behind the ‘fear’?Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
Love, Kay
xx
Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.
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No thought cant do anything there is no one in AE and the thought"i'm missing something" keeps appearing in AE and the thought "is that all there is" and "so unsatisfying"and yet wow thats all thats appearingin AE .all these thoughts appearing and they mean nothing to no one and the thought "whats the point" so thats it then!!. What exactly is it that could be “bored”? Can you find anyone in AE that is “bored” or has “drama”? OR for that matter, can you find anyone that has problems, that is strategising or problem solving! :)
More questions hopefully?
Cant even type words as they seem meaningless now
Allen
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yes where in the body the emotion and ive noticed this unchanging awareness since i was very young thinking it resided in the color image Labeled Allen/ body.I don’t follow what you are saying here, Allen. You mean awareness of where the sensations are happening in the body and that there hasn’t been an awareness of the sensations being in the body before?
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yes.refering to realizing that previous statement was just a thought appearing now about a "state of awareness always being there"and questioning if thought pointed to some experience. I don’t follow this either. Can you explain what you mean please?
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yes exactly. So, some thought points to AE in that the label ‘fear’ points to a sensation in the body? Is that what you are saying: and that other thoughts just point to further thought story ABOUT fear?
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yesyes both stories about sensation labeled "fear". Sensation are sensations and thoughts are thought. So sensation appears AS actual experience as does thought. But what thought says the sensation is, ie fear and what thought say ABOUT fear is just a story.
Can you see this?
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