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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:27 am

. And can anything be found in AE that can have “attention pulled sharply away”?
What exactly is it that has “attention”, or is that just another appearing thought?
crap NO just another thot appearance in AE and a thought claiming that happened.Now a thought appearing wanting to point to "at the time"it was different. crazy, what a trip!!

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:43 am

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Is not the thought “I will think …………” (fill in the blank), also just another appearing thought?
Can anything be found in AE that is thinking?
WOW planning,problem solving, strategizing.So a sound appears in AE asking for directions.a a thought appears as sound inAE giving directions along with other sensations and a thought claiming doership and thinker.And all r thoughts appearing in AE out of fking nowhere WOW plus sensations and sound appearing inAE all squished together WOW

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:52 am

. And if you could choose thoughts, would you ever choose to have negative, painful or fearful thoughts?
easyone no never. unless the thought "i am bored "and the thought "some drama in order"appeared haha but alas there is only the thought of a chooser
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby forgetmenot » Thu Nov 17, 2016 11:18 pm

Hey Allen!
Thoughts will appear saying lots of stuff…but does thought know anything? Is thought aware of anything? Can you pick and choose what thoughts appear
No only another thought appearing claiming knowing. only another thought would claim awareness. No only a thought of I would claim picking and choosing
Yes, thoughts are an appearance in/as THIS, just as soundsensationtastesmellcolour is an appearance in/as THIS, but thoughts know nothing.

Knowing ABOUT something is thought, while the knowing AS (the appearance) is direct.

One way to see the funny side to thought is to mentally see a thought in the ‘minds eyes’. So, bring to ‘mind’ the thought “I am a person”.

What is actually there are letters which make up that thought….right?
So can letters (ie the thought) know anything about being a person?

Yes and are those rampant thoughts just seen as thoughts that are appearing, and are just pointing to more thought stories?
not totally yet. there is a thought appearing as panic hmmmm..... and yes just thoughts appearing. And not at the time hmmm....that is just another thought appearing about panic and "at the time" Now seen as thoughts appearing now yes yes
Terrific…love the way you are LOOKING to see what is actually appearing and ‘when’ it is appearing.

Fear, anxiety and panic do appear when doing this exploration. Don’t push it away but become aware of what the fear is about. Generally it is the fear of not knowing what will happen when it is seen that there is no separate individual. The fear of disappearing, not knowing who/what you are, what changes will/won’t occur, what will happen to relationships etc appear, as well as the fear of ‘getting it’ or not ‘getting it’! This is normal.

When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.

This process is not ABOUT denying or bypassing the sensations or pushing them aside. It is about seeing what they are and addressing them.
And can anything be found in AE that can have “attention pulled sharply away”?
What exactly is it that has “attention”, or is that just another appearing thought?
crap NO just another thot appearance in AE and a thought claiming that happened.Now a thought appearing wanting to point to "at the time"it was different. crazy, what a trip!!
Yes! At what “time” exactly?! The thought ABOUT “attention pulled sharply away” is appearing NOW, there is no ‘before’ NOW or ‘after’ now or ‘present’ now. There is only THIS appearing AS thoughtsensationtastesmellsoundcolour.
Is not the thought “I will think …………” (fill in the blank), also just another appearing thought? Can anything be found in AE that is thinking?
WOW planning, problem solving, strategizing. So a sound appears in AE asking for directions. a a thought appears as sound in AE giving directions along with other sensations and a thought claiming doership and thinker. And all r thoughts appearing in AE out of fking nowhere WOW plus sensations and sound appearing in AE all squished together WOW
So a sound appears which thought says is “asking for directions”. Sound can’t ask for direction! If you drop all thoughts, ideas and mental images about the sound called ‘voice’, how is it known that it is a voice and that the voice is “asking for directions”? Is it not just sound?

Yes….the “I” thought appears claiming ‘doership’ and thinking, as well as controlling, choosing and deciding and takes responsibility for everything! And yet, if you look at the label “I”…what is it exactly? It is just a letter and appearing thought story ABOUT an “I” which is fiction!

Can anyone/anything be found in AE that is responsible for choosing or deciding anything? If there is no thinker of thought and thought just appears…and there such a thing as free will and is there anyone/anything that desires/wants/needs free will?
And all r thoughts appearing in AE out of fking nowhere WOW plus sensations and sound appearing in AE all squished together WOW
So I want you to LOOK very carefully here. How is it known that a sensation, sound, taste, thought, smell and colour are ALL different experiences? Where does thought stop and sensation begin? Where does sound stop and colour begin?
And if you could choose thoughts, would you ever choose to have negative, painful or fearful thoughts?
easyone no never. unless the thought "i am bored "and the thought "some drama in order" appeared haha but alas there is only the thought of a chooser
Yes…there are only thoughts of a chooser! Excellent!

What exactly is it that could be “bored”? Can you find anyone in AE that is “bored” or has “drama”? OR for that matter, can you find anyone that has problems, that is strategising or problem solving! :)

Love, Kay
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:53 am

. What is actually there are letters which make up that thought….right?
So can letters (ie the thought) know anything about being a person?
yes very benign when looking at AE and no cant know anything like words on paper in AE or floating in space more acurately

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:24 am

.When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
located in stomach and chest and yes thoughts appearing about the meaning.scrared of colorimage being all that makes up the body/Allen where the awareness is happening.and that awareness has never not always been there.Now thoughts arise in AE about awareness ,alwaysbeen there,meaning,all thoughts and yet some point to something. Ahhh...sensation labeled fear,panic and then more thoughts inAE trying to control previous thoughts. No wonder sensations appearing in AE.they r just thoughts appearing in AE and can't do anything. What a darn squirrel cage of appearances.seems like sensations need a cause?so thought gets busy trying to find one and eliminate sensation if unpleasant and prolong if thought says enjoyable?? And all of THESE THOUGHTS r just appearing in AE NOW!!!

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:36 am

. So a sound appears which thought says is “asking for directions”. Sound can’t ask for direction! If you drop all thoughts, ideas and mental images about the sound called ‘voice’, how is it known that it is a voice and that the voice is “asking for directions”? Is it not just sound
yes just sound and the sounds appear in AE like thoughts. Cant see a difference in AE.wait no just sound appearing and thought appearing almost same time crap

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:57 am

. Can anyone/anything be found in AE that is responsible for choosing or deciding anything? If there is no thinker of thought and thought just appears…and there such a thing as free will and is there anyone/anything that desires/wants/needs free will?
No not in AE just appearances.thoughts cant do anything not even point.that would be another thought appearing as the thought pointing.so....what the hell is happening then.sound is itself,sensation is just appearing,taste,color. No appearance in AE does anything except appear.hmmm....cant be.yet a thought appears as "something is answering these questions" and that is just another thought appearing. It never never stops aaahhhgggg!!

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:17 am

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So I want you to LOOK very carefully here. How is it known that a sensation, sound, taste, thought, smell and colour are ALL different experiences? Where does thought stop and sensation begin? Where does sound stop and colour begin?
No there is nothing to have free will only a thought appearing with empty claim.now to this question.so only thought would say that.let me look some more.it cant be known as they are all appearing in AE spaceness.they all appear when they appear all at same time.no line or boundry wait... no difference just AE!!!!!!!Wait even a thought appearing to separate soundtastecolorsensation is part of the whole experience.actually thought cant separate anything cant do anything except appear as thought. WOWWWW!!!!

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby forgetmenot » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:38 am

Hey Allen,

Once again you have done some fantastic LOOKING. I wanted to address 'fear' further before responding to the other questions you answered.
.When this happens, just become aware of the sensation labelled ‘fear/panic/anxiety in the body. Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
located in stomach and chest and yes thoughts appearing about the meaning. scrared of colorimage being all that makes up the body/Allen where the awareness is happening. and that awareness has never not always been there.
I don’t follow what you are saying here, Allen. You mean awareness of where the sensations are happening in the body and that there hasn’t been an awareness of the sensations being in the body before?
Now thoughts arise in AE about awareness ,always been there, meaning, all thoughts and yet some point to something.
I don’t follow this either. Can you explain what you mean please?
Ahhh...sensation labeled fear, panic and then more thoughts in AE trying to control previous thoughts.
So, some thought points to AE in that the label ‘fear’ points to a sensation in the body? Is that what you are saying: and that other thoughts just point to further thought story ABOUT fear?

No wonder sensations appearing in AE. they r just thoughts appearing in AE and can't do anything.
I am not quite sure what you are saying here either.
Sensation are sensations and thoughts are thought. So sensation appears AS actual experience as does thought. But what thought says the sensation is, ie fear and what thought say ABOUT fear is just a story.
Can you see this?

What a darn squirrel cage of appearances. seems like sensations need a cause? so thought gets busy trying to find one and eliminate sensation if unpleasant and prolong if thought says enjoyable?? And all of THESE THOUGHTS r just appearing in AE NOW!!!
Yes, thought SEEMS to go hunting for the cause of sensation and will usually find a story to ‘pin’ it on and the story is usually about the past or the future. If you LOOK to see what is actually appearing NOW, all you will find is thoughtsensation. Can what is seemingly feared be found NOW at all?

And yes, there seems to be a desire to hold onto or maintain certain sensations that are labelled, happiness, joy, excitement, bliss, peace and so on, and an aversion to the sensations called fear, panic, sadness, grief, boredom etc, which we try and deflect by distracting through busyness, TV, eating, talking etc, or by projecting them onto ‘others’.

Just to qualify that thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound appear AS AE and not IN AE. That would mean that they are contained in something and that there is a something that appears in something = two. Can anything be found that contains thoughtsensationtastesmellcoloursound (AE)?
Become aware of where it is located and see if you can find anything behind/underneath the fear? Let me know what you find.
So, was anything found lurking underneath or behind the ‘fear’?

Love, Kay
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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:47 am

. What exactly is it that could be “bored”? Can you find anyone in AE that is “bored” or has “drama”? OR for that matter, can you find anyone that has problems, that is strategising or problem solving! :)
No thought cant do anything there is no one in AE and the thought"i'm missing something" keeps appearing in AE and the thought "is that all there is" and "so unsatisfying"and yet wow thats all thats appearingin AE .all these thoughts appearing and they mean nothing to no one and the thought "whats the point" so thats it then!!
More questions hopefully?
Cant even type words as they seem meaningless now
Allen

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:55 am

.I don’t follow what you are saying here, Allen. You mean awareness of where the sensations are happening in the body and that there hasn’t been an awareness of the sensations being in the body before?
yes where in the body the emotion and ive noticed this unchanging awareness since i was very young thinking it resided in the color image Labeled Allen/ body

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:05 am

. I don’t follow this either. Can you explain what you mean please?
yes.refering to realizing that previous statement was just a thought appearing now about a "state of awareness always being there"and questioning if thought pointed to some experience

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:06 am

. So, some thought points to AE in that the label ‘fear’ points to a sensation in the body? Is that what you are saying: and that other thoughts just point to further thought story ABOUT fear?
yes exactly

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Re: Help a shift to seeing correctly

Postby yoyo » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:09 am

. Sensation are sensations and thoughts are thought. So sensation appears AS actual experience as does thought. But what thought says the sensation is, ie fear and what thought say ABOUT fear is just a story.
Can you see this?
yesyes both stories about sensation labeled "fear"


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