To see without any understanding

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby movement11 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 5:32 pm

What is self for you now compared from where we started?
It is no longer real. It never was and never is. It is a thought in itself and a concept that I have been attached into my whole life. But just as a baby just is and has no concept of itself or ownership or creating things...everything just happens. I am not the mover or the decider or the breather or the doer.
Was there ever any self?
No. It is a thought upon a thought upon a thought...etc. Erin does not exist...but only in thought and emotion.
What made you shift?
Looking at the concept of "I" as a label. And looking at the thought of the superego was one of the big shifts as well. I had gone all the way to that place of being the observer but I had never moved one step further.
Can you say something about free will?
Will itself can only come from a believed in self. It is as much a thought as the concept of "I". It exists only in the illusion of self. I still don't understand how everything moves and everything seems to have patterns....but from the place I am now, I believe those patterns are thoughts as well.

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby bth » Wed Oct 05, 2016 7:26 pm

Yes great. I also dont know how everything moves. What a mystery! Are there any more questions?


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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby movement11 » Wed Oct 05, 2016 10:10 pm

I would say not for now. But may I contact you if I do?
I plan to stay on the forum...at least reading-wise. :)

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby bth » Thu Oct 06, 2016 6:15 pm

Yes for sure! We can always continue privately just send me a mssge. Now in the process of getting you in the fb groups.


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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby movement11 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:14 pm

Awesome....
for the FB group...do I just search for liberation unleashed?

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby bth » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:18 pm

No no, these are aftercare groups. Ill keep you posted!


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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby movement11 » Thu Oct 06, 2016 7:22 pm

Sounds good!

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby bth » Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:34 pm

Hi Movement,

Plz check your pm!

Barry

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby movement11 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 9:55 pm

By the way....I just wanted to truly thank you for guiding me. Thank you, thank you, thank you. <3

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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby bth » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:18 pm

Thanks! By the way I always assumed Erin was boys name ( thats what kresonated with me in the Netherlands). So I imagined you to be a man. Just noticed on facebook your a woman. Lol :)


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Re: To see without any understanding

Postby movement11 » Mon Oct 10, 2016 10:27 pm

Lol... I caught that during our discussions but I wanted to leave it as to not further deepen my need to prove Erin the woman existed... Thought that was kind of perfect that it happened that way... ;)


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