Please guide x

[falcontooth]

What is it exactly that can be threatened? Don't wait for that 'feeling' to disappear but have a LOOK and find the separate individual that 'feels' threatened.
Look everywhere. Look within the 'body' from the top of the head to the tips of the toes and look around the room. Look at AE....look everywhere....can you find anyone/anything that can be threatened?

there's sensations.thought.sound.thought.sensation.thought.colour/image.

There's the urge to go into thought and tell lots of stories

[forgetmenot]

Hi Shelly,

I would like for you to close your eyes and point a finger towards ‘yourself’ and tell me where in the body ‘you’ reside.

sensation, sound, thought..no resider. A thought claiming to be a resider

Can a thought actually claim anything, or the thought “I reside in my body” appeared?

So, there was no resider found…so now have a look at a seeming other and find where a ‘them’ resides. Can you find a ‘them’, or is it just colour that seemingly appears as a person?

How is it known that the voice of a ‘other’ is coming from the ‘other’? Because a thought said so?

Close your eyes and put the tip of a finger on the top of your head. Now drop all thoughts and images of head and finger and what is really there?

sensation.thought

And when you drop all thought….all these is is sensation…right? So is there any evidence of a ‘head’ or a ‘finger’? Is there any evidence that the sensation is on top of a head, or only that a thought says that the sensation is on top of a head?

Where exactly is the thinker of thoughts located? Please describe the location to me in precise detail.

Theres just the thought no thinker thinking

Yes, just thoughts appearing as experience but appearing to no one.
Can you find a dividing line between ‘thinker’ and thought?
Can you find a dividing line between ‘hear-er’ and hearing? ‘See-er and seeing? And so on?

What is it exactly that can be threatened? Don't wait for that 'feeling' to disappear but have a LOOK and find the separate individual that 'feels' threatened.
Look everywhere. Look within the 'body' from the top of the head to the tips of the toes and look around the room. Look at AE....look everywhere....can you find anyone/anything that can be threatened?

No. Only in thought, am I a thought? Is the thought me?

Have a LOOK. Can you find a ‘me’ in any thought? Is a thought knowing of other thoughts? Are thoughts knowing of sound, colour, sensation, taste and smell? So can you be a thought?

Seeing through the Illusion of “I” doesn't mean you will lose the “I” and with it, identity. The “I” doesn't exist, not even now as you are reading these lines.

Love, Kay

[falcontooth]

Can a thought actually claim anything, or the thought “I reside in my body” appeared?

So, there was no resider found…so now have a look at a seeming other and find where a ‘them’ resides. Can you find a ‘them’, or is it just colour that seemingly appears as a person?

How is it known that the voice of a ‘other’ is coming from the ‘other’? Because a thought said so?

yes its a thought.

Can you find a ‘them’, or is it just colour that seemingly appears as a person?

I find colours. If I looked with a microscope more colours till there were no colours

[falcontooth]

How is it known that the voice of a ‘other’ is coming from the ‘other’? Because a thought said so?

yes

And when you drop all thought….all these is is sensation…right? So is there any evidence of a ‘head’ or a ‘finger’? Is there any evidence that the sensation is on top of a head, or only that a thought says that the sensation is on top of a head?

only a thought

[falcontooth]

Can you find a dividing line between ‘thinker’ and thought?
Can you find a dividing line between ‘hear-er’ and hearing? ‘See-er and seeing? And so on?

No

Have a LOOK. Can you find a ‘me’ in any thought? Is a thought knowing of other thoughts? Are thoughts knowing of sound, colour, sensation, taste and smell? So can you be a thought?

I cant find an actual me, only a sense of me in AE

[forgetmenot]

Hey Shelly,

Can you find a ‘them’, or is it just colour that seemingly appears as a person?

I find colours. If I looked with a microscope more colours till there were no colours

No colour isn’t any different to colour. Only thought says some 'thing' isn't there.
Darkness is just a colour, like any other, no different from light. Thought labels darkness as the absence of some 'thing' but it is no less knowing/known than light is.
Empty space is no different to solid matter, it is still a some 'thing', not a lack of some 'thing'.

Have a LOOK. Can you find a ‘me’ in any thought? Is a thought knowing of other thoughts? Are thoughts knowing of sound, colour, sensation, taste and smell? So can you be a thought?

I cant find an actual me, only a sense of me in AE

Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of being (sense of ‘me) very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it. Take your time.

Keep the focus of attention on the sense of being and inquire…

Does the sense of being have a location?
Does the sense of being have a shape or a size?

Does the sense of being say or communicate anything?
If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

Does the sense of being have any characteristics or attributes?

What is the sense of being ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

Love, Kay

[falcontooth]

No colour isn’t any different to colour. Only thought says some 'thing' isn't there.
Darkness is just a colour, like any other, no different from light. Thought labels darkness as the absence of some 'thing' but it is no less knowing/known than light is.
Empty space is no different to solid matter, it is still a some 'thing', not a lack of some 'thing'.

oh thats a shock and that is true, yes. no colour isnt any different to colour. only thought says some 'thing' isnt there.

Darkness is just a colour, like any other, no different from light.

thats beautiful..a thought I know, just I never recognized that before x

[falcontooth]

Thought labels darkness as the absence of some 'thing' but it is no less knowing/known than light is.
Empty space is no different to solid matter, it is still a some 'thing', not a lack of some 'thing'.

so the microscope seeing colour was never seeing a person or thing..then when the colour went to the colour darkness that was just changing colour...not a body limit

[falcontooth]

Empty space is no different to solid matter, it is still a some 'thing', not a lack of some 'thing'.

can you expand on that please Kay many thanks

[falcontooth]

Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of being (sense of ‘me) very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it. Take your time.

Keep the focus of attention on the sense of being and inquire…

Does the sense of being have a location?

in sensations like the tummy, but that isnt really accurate now that I look, in the tummy there's a sensation, its not the label me. Looking, sensation, I want to say energy but that's also just sensation.

Does the sense of being have a shape or a size?

A thought comes up of an image with a person running around in a situation in a panic, that thought says its as big as the scene or can be small in the stomach...but the image of the person is the only personal reference I have, its that image I see when I think of me. I think of me. that's not clear.

Does the sense of being say or communicate anything?

the sense itself is a sensation. the thought that seems to come with it is..I wanted to say a threatened feeling, but that a feeling, and I just remembered you saying there were no feelings that weren't thoughts, or something, I will look back and read again.

so I cant really say the thought is threatened or is the threat either, although it seems to have a label..its the label that is threatened...I cant find that to point a finger at it as the thing

If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?

oh thats what I was just trying to find, its like there is no place to hang a label yet there does seem to be definition or meaning, when looking for it its not here

Does the sense of being have any characteristics or attributes?

there's a sense of aliveness..but that's a label also so no

What is the sense of being ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

I want to say thought but when looking in thought for the sense of being it would be a label and without the label there is not a sense of being to even bring up. like there is no sense of being without a thought of a sense of being

[falcontooth]

and the label is not the thing either, like the label 'dress' on a tag is not the dress

[falcontooth]

so how can that be Kay?

[falcontooth]

it feels like theres something but theres nothing there

[falcontooth]

I;m stuck on the feels like its something..and intellectually aware that its nothing..but that must be thought too..looking for it..whats intellectually aware that its nothing? another thought.

am i those thoughts, as withoutthe arising of them i dont arise

[falcontooth]

'i am' is a thought, before the thought i am, there is nothing to be said or questioned or asked. in nondual teachings the teacher often says or quotes things like: the only thing you know for certain is that you exist, that you are'

but i never felt like that was true because i only knew any of that through thought and without thought there was none of it, no question or knowing of i am at all, anywhere. a baby doesnt know that it is. i wanted to say but i dont know that i am, i dont know that i exist, it comes as a thought that a second ago was not even there in existence...in a way what makes me exist is the thought