passing through the gate

[Simon]

Hi Kay, I have answered all previous questions have you received them ? I am still in the process of replying. I just stopped for a cuppa :)
Simon

[forgetmenot]

Haha....just what exactly stopped for a cuppa? ;) Yes, I received the other one's...just not the one's I mentioned earlier.

Kay

[Simon]

Can a chooser be located?

No chooser can be located, it is all thought, the label "I would like a cup of tea"is the AE of thought, thought then glues the sensations and image/colour that are experienced together and the illousion of a me/I making a cup of tea is experienced by no one.

If yes, where is it exactly?

There is no chooser that can be located.

And what does the chooser looks like?

There is no chooser.

Simon

[forgetmenot]

Hi Simon,

So can a moving hillusionound anywhere?

There is no moving hand.

Great. All there is…is AE of colour + thought + sensation which is labelled “moving hand” by thought.

How is the decision made to either make a cup of tea or coffee?

A thought arises "I would like a cup of tea"

And is there any chooser that chooses when the thought “I would like a cup of tea” arises?

Do ‘you’ choose to add or not add milk into the tea (or coffee) or how much milk to add?

There is no you, Me, or I that has a choice, "I" is an illusory thought as is the label choice.

Yes.

Is there a moment of choice or does it happens automatically?

There is no one to make a choice, it's part of the Simon story "I would like a cup of tea " it's just thought, there is no thing to make anything happen life is just happening.

Do ‘you’ make the cup of tea (or coffee) happen or it just happens?

There is no you everything is just happening.

Yes, nice LOOKING! :)

Before we go on….have you got any questions? You have understood this all intellectually. Are you LOOKING with each question to get your answers to the pointers or are you relying on intellectual understanding? Can you let me know what’s going on for you with what we have done so far.

Kay
xxoo

[Simon]

Hi kay

And is there any chooser that chooses when the thought “I would like a cup of tea” arises?

There is no chooser it is just happening to no one.

I do have a few questions, but first let me answer yours. At the beginning of this i thought i new a little bit about self enquiry and was using that intellect to help provide the answers, you put me straight on that :) I really didn't know how to ask the right questions and since realising this I have done all that you have asked the way you asked me to do. Looking and seeing by myself is the only way to the truth and thank you kay for that. My question is there any physical experience, experienced whilst LOOKING and have you noticed any change ?

Regards
Simon

[forgetmenot]

Hey Simon,

I do have a few questions, but first let me answer yours. At the beginning of this i thought i new a little bit about self enquiry and was using that intellect to help provide the answers, you put me straight on that :) I really didn't know how to ask the right questions and since realising this I have done all that you have asked the way you asked me to do. Looking and seeing by myself is the only way to the truth and thank you kay for that. My question is there any physical experience, experienced whilst LOOKING and have you noticed any change?

I don’t understand what you mean by physical experience…so can you elaborate on that please? Do you mean like some sort of metaphysical/mystical experience? If so, I have no idea. Everyone is different and everyone has different experiences, but I never had any mystical experiences. The shift for me was gradual.

There have been changes. LOOKING is happening on its own these days. If I am seeming to be going down the rabbit hole with a story and emotions, a thought arises that more or less says to LOOK and LOOKING happens. That doesn’t mean that the story stops or I don’t feel the emotions…is just that I am aware that it is a story and I break the story down into AE. There is no longer an attachment to stories or emotions. There is no more seeking either. The more LOOKING the clearer all becomes.

But because there was never a ‘me’ to start with then life really has just gone on the same, it’s just that it now seems more relaxed because I know there is nothing I could have done, should have done or can do…as life just IS. The ‘personality self’ aka character is still more or less the same and yet there are differences. More laughter, less worry and no expectations, which is freeing. There is an ‘understanding’ that what is happening is just happening and it has no meaning…it just is. So there is a ‘going with the flow’ and yet on some days it seems I am paddling against the flow. And that’s okay…who or what has control over these things….nothing and nobody. So yes, there is a change and yet there isn’t! Haha…I really don’t know how to put it into words.

Love Kay

[Simon]

Thanks kay, I understand what you mean, I recognise some of what you have described. What I meant about physical experience, is when I focus on something like AE, or thought I get what i can only describe a energy spasms through the body. Wondered if it was something you may have been aware of or heard of happening ?

Simon

[forgetmenot]

Oh you mean like there seems to be just a vibrating mass of 'energy' when you are LOOKING! Yes...that seems to be pretty normal to me. It's that energy/sensation that keeps the belief in the body 'alive'.

Is this happening in a body or is there just sensation happening?
Is an image labelled 'body' aware of sensations?
Are sensations aware of images labelled 'body'?

You probably noticed also that when looking the 'ringing in the ears' seems to be louder too!

Kay

[Simon]

Hi Kay,
[quote[Is this happening in a body or is there just sensation happening?[/quote]
The label body is the AE of thought, the label body sensation is AE of sensation. There is no body in which this is happening. The AE of sensation is jus happening.

Is an image labelled 'body' aware of sensations?

The image labelled 'body' is AE of image/colour , there is no body to be aware of anything.

[Are sensations aware of images labelled 'body'?

No, Sensations are AE of sensation, there is no body to be aware off.

Yes the the ringing in the ears is also experienced.

Simon

[forgetmenot]

Hi Simon,

Is this happening in a body or is there just sensation happening?

The label body is the AE of thought, the label body sensation is AE of sensation. There is no body in which this is happening. The AE of sensation is jus happening.

Yes.
And does the sensation in anyway suggest that it is vibrating energy?

Is an image labelled 'body' aware of sensations?

The image labelled 'body' is AE of image/colour , there is no body to be aware of anything.

Yes…can an image know anything, do anything or feel anything? It would be like asking a picture of a dog if it can feel anything, do anything! An image/colour is just a picture and a picture is just an image/colour and knows and feels nothing.

Are sensations aware of images labelled 'body'?

No, Sensations are AE of sensation, there is no body to be aware off.

Nice :)

Yes the the ringing in the ears is also experienced.

Haha…and now that I have mentioned it…the ringing seems even louder..does it not!

But is the ringing happening ‘in the ears’? Is there a dividing line between hear-er and hearing?

So everything is clear about the ‘body’?
Has it been clearly seen that there is no ‘body’?
Do you have any questions about the ‘body’?

Love Kay

[Simon]

Hi Kay, yes the ringing In the ears is more noticeable now you have mentioned it:)

And does the sensation in anyway suggest that it is vibrating energy?

No, its a AE of sensation . Sensation can't know, or think or suggest. It's just happening, there is no one to suggest anything to.

But is the ringing happening ‘in the ears’? Is there a dividing line between hear-er and hearing?

The label ringing in the ears is an AE of thought there is no dividing line between hear-er and hearing. The sensation labeled hearing is the AE of sensation, there is no hear-er it is just happening to no one.

Has it been clearly seen that there is no ‘body’?

The realisation that the label body is AE of thought, sensations and image/colour has been clearly seen.

[Simon]

Do you have any questions about the"body"

No, nothing has changed just the realisation that there is no body.

Simon
xo

[forgetmenot]

Hey Simon!

Almost everybody believes that a memory thought is referring to something that has happened. That a memory thought is a different thought than a non-memory thought.

What is memory exactly? – please don’t go to thought explanation, but just let a memory be there, and look at it…

What is the memory ‘made of’?
WHEN does the memory appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Then, look at a thought about the future.
What is the future thought ‘made of’?

WHEN does the future thought appear?

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘future’ thought?
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘future’ thought refers to something that will happen?

Then let’s compare a thought about past and a thought about the future.
What is the EXACT difference between the thoughts about past and future?
If there is difference, how that difference is known exactly?

Please spend lot of time (haha :) with EACH question… Look very carefully… Look at what actually going on and not what thoughts say… but what actually is.

Love Kay

[Simon]

Hi kay,

what is memory made of ?

Memory is a thought just like any other thought , containing more thoughts of a story/ event that has happened in the past. Memory is a concept of the mind which suggests time and space exists, making the story of I/me more believable,
there is no time or space. The contents of memory is never the same as the AE it is trying to depic, as with all thoughts the contents is illousery.

WHEN does the memory appear?

Memory appears when the story of separate self is believed, and it appears it can be recalled giving a strong belief that a separate self exists.

How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?

Memory suggest that time and space exist giving the illusion that events of the past are real.

[Simon]

What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought?

A general thought reflects AE of here and now (the present), a memory thought suggest an AE that occurred in the past.