I'd like a guide - charlottez

[charlottez]

Armstrong
I have listened again and I feel I do understand, but if not I do hope you can guide me. I see I am not an I and all I do and see lets say are just things that our happening outside of me. I can experience the happening and the sensations. Sounds are happening I am not hearing sounds they are happening , guide me in the direction that is right, I do understand on one level, but perhaps I am not explaining myself in the right way, I hope we can move on from this if I am hearing you in the right way. I am grateful for your patience

[Armstrong]

OK. Thanks for doing the exercise.

Did you notice that again and again you're told to look and see "what is real"? That's the only thing to do. You ask me to guide you - that's basically it.

What was your experience of the movement exercises? They start around 15 minutes into the recording. You move your hands and try to notice how the "I" raises the hand.

Could you please try doing that exercise now (raise one hand or another) and tell me how you, charlottez, is connected to the hand, how you decide to move the hand, etc. What is your experience when you pay attention to moving the hand?

Thanks.

[charlottez]

Armstrong
when I raise my hand now it is as in the audio exercise as it says you its done there is no thought
when I pay attention to moving the hand
it just lifts I am not thinking I will lift my hand there is no thought involved that I am aware of
I see beyond the top of the finger tips when the hand is raised and then a thought come what is see interrupts the no thought. If feel quiet when I lift my hand I try the other hand there is no thought and all of a sudden the hand seems big the forarm seems really really long almost like a separate part of my body, its fun dong this

[Armstrong]

Ok. So when you do that, where is the path you mentioned? Can you see it?

You wrote before, " There is it seems a path and all that happens to us negative or positive its taking us along the path..."

It sounds like you see your arms and hands, which is ahout what one would expect. :-)

[charlottez]

Armstrong yes arms and hands
the path i mentioned i think was maybe the wrong word i just meant
every experience we experience is just life living through us and i guess when the body dies maybe we see this as some sort of and end , and a door closed as another opens, well i used to think that, but now i see that there is no end and we do not die so maybe what i was trying to explain is nt path,, but a circle, a circle of living and life, just life. does that make any sense ? i hope so i know what its meant to explain, but not sure I am so good at that.

[Armstrong]

OK. So in that last audio - located here http://liberationunleashed.com/LU_Audio ... n%2007.mp3 - there is an exercise at the start (36 seconds in). You close your eyes and imagine a watermelon. Then you open your eyes and see if you can see a watermelon. This is about what's real.

Please close your eyes and try to imagine this "circle of living and life, just life" -- imagine it as best you can - take a minute or two. Then open your eyes and see what's real.

Please pretend that I am 7 years old and don't understand complicated terms like "circle of life" - and please describe what you see. I have the sort of mind where if you say there is a "circle of living and life", I am going to say, "I don't see a circle."

[charlottez]

Armstrong I will listen to the audio and do as you say and report back later.

[Armstrong]

OK. Sounds good.

[charlottez]

Armstrong yes I could feel the Water melon. The circle of life, if I am describing without using those words, when I have just closed my eyes to image what those words mean. I see lots of colours flashing and darting all over, I feel an energy inside and then nothing, when I did this the 2nd time I got the same sensations, just the colours were different, the first time blues and yellows the 2nd time pinks and lilacs, so actually no circle, just an energy I suppose but it felt normal like it was supposed to be just that, I expected more. I also noticed my breathing seemed slower.

[Armstrong]

OK. So is the "circle of life" as real as the screen you are reading this on? Or is circle of life just a concept?

If you look right now, do you see a "circle of life"? Or do you just see stuff?

[charlottez]

Armstrong I see just stuff and not a circle of life, so I assume the circle is just a concept.

[Armstrong]

It might be helpful if you spent a day looking for this "circle of life" or the"path" that you mentioned, to see if it exists like "tue floor" or "the sky". I'm suggesting this because you wrote "so I assume", which implies a lack of certainty.

Could you please do that today? A few times, when you aren't so busy and caught up in thoughts of the past or future, take some deep breaths and look to see if anything in your experience stands out as the "circle of life" or the "path". Then you ought to know, as opposed to assuming or believing.

[charlottez]

Armstrong
I understand and yes I will do that to not assume I think maybe I just used the wrong word, but another good exercise to take part in, thank you. Will come back to you when done.

[Armstrong]

Ok. Clarity is important. Please look until you're sure.

[charlottez]

Armstrong
have done as you advised a good few times.What is noticed more than anything are sounds all types( birds ,cars, wind ) they are constant, sounds are happening the whole time, and silence in between.There is nothing else to see i see nothing , the feeling is not really anything i could put into words its just there and there are sounds.The path the circle does not exist is see that.Life is just happening.
My way of thinking before as the circle was i think based on nothing ever ides for example we see a tree the leaves fall in the fall and return in the spring the tree does not die it just changes. I meant that we are similar in that we never really die- i hope i have not explained myself in the wrong way again, i do understand that we do not exist and that life is just living through us we are not life. I hope i have done and understood well.