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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Fri May 15, 2015 5:38 pm

very clever, you are
.When you feel, you have lost it again, immediately ask what is lost? Nothing doesn't have many colors.
nothing is lost. it is all here. everything. it is just that I am currently in the way of experiencing it directly.

.When you find you are here again what is here? Are they objects, senses or something more?
been hard to look intently as I'm at work. initial looking tells me that yes there are objects and senses. looking more closely there is no difference between the two. it is all THIS, whatever this is.

Feels like the "veil of separation" is tissue thin. Whisper thin. I want it gone.

Off out now. The London public transport system appears to provide a reliable set of conditions for direct experience. Let's see....

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sat May 16, 2015 11:35 am

Hi Sunil

last night when out with a friend in a busy city venue I could not have been more disconnected with this process and more completely identified with ME. It felt like a step backwards, even tho the even was lovely. I found it quite distressing and was beating myself up about it a bit on the way home. Like I messed things up and need to cancel social engagements be in peaceful surroundings etc to take this enquiry seriously and make progress.

This morning in the shower something happened, so brief that I could not tell you now whether it was experienced or whether it was a fleeting memory of previous experience, or what. Anyway it was a tiny tiny moment of pure witnessing. No witness. Just witnessing. Like how a baby must see. And a feeling of "yes. of course"

Help me out here Sunil, I feel sure I am over complicating things. That's pretty much par for the course with me.

K x

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kvotski » Sat May 16, 2015 1:42 pm

Hi Kate,

Is there a way to stop life and find peace? What about memories which entice us to repeat the story and experience the sensation? Just because you enjoy a movie, does it become true? And just because it is a story, should you stop going to the movies?

Just because you forget that this is an illusion, should you stop living life as you always have?

The beauty of an awakened life is that you can clearly see suffering as just another impermanent event. Didn't you close your eyes as a child when a violent scene came on the screen? Why?

Nothing is wrong. Try to remember.

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kvotski » Sat May 16, 2015 3:59 pm

Dear Kate,

Please revisit your expectations on page 1. You wanted to see no Kate.

Take a deep breath, any place any where. Close your eyes. Can you find Kate?

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sat May 16, 2015 5:24 pm

no Sunil. I can't. there's an idea that I ought to be able to find Kate. but nothing actually there.

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sat May 16, 2015 5:31 pm

everything that presents itself as Kate, thinking, feelings, body sensations, is seen through as being simply those things.

even the touch of 'my' hands against each other now just feels like simply and solely that. if that even makes sense.

i have been expecting more. this feels very uneventful . all the usual stuff going on. no change in perception. maybe a slight sense of lightness.

but kate is clearly seen as an illusory entity. Santa Claus indeed. ho ho ho. ;)

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kvotski » Sat May 16, 2015 7:31 pm

Lightness may be all you get for now. But as long as there are no doubts that there is no one running this show at maison Kate, this may become deeper. Life storms may sway you but never uproot you from what you know to be true.

In the FAQ section on home page you will find all kinds of expectations we have heard about. Personally, the fireworks that has been reported by some are happening to the body. And you have experienced them as well.

All we can do is establish beyond a doubt the absence of self. So, do you have any doubts?

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sat May 16, 2015 7:43 pm

it's deepening with every passing hour. if's amazing. beautiful. beautiful.

i cant write much more, with friends and tapping away on my phone rudely

no doubt at all that this is it. seems to 'thin out sometimes and then *I thoughts* seem for powerful, but they dont have any power to hook into this . will write more later

please god let this stay. oh wow Sunil just wow

a thousand kisses! love love. k x

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sun May 17, 2015 12:47 am

OK, so I am home now and can write a more considered post. I am using “I” as anything else would just be weird and phoney, and it feels totally appropriate anyway.

Only one thing has fundamentally changed. The belief in a separate self has gone, because it is seen that it is not there as a real ‘thing’ and never was. I thought that it was something I had to get rid of. I thought I was going to have the sense of losing something and would be changed for it. But something that is not real can not be lost. It was a belief, that’s all. Just a belief. The belief is no longer there. That’s all that has happened. Looking at my various component parts - my thoughts, my feelings, my senses, it’s obvious that they don’t add up to a real separate entity.

Thank you for pulling me back to first principles. That’s all I had to do: examine this belief and see that it is baseless. So incredibly simple once it’s seen through. Honestly, what a DRAMA I have made of this. The rest was a snowstorm of fears / hopes / expectations which in retrospect seem completely ridiculous:

I thought this might result in being catapulted into a “state”, mystical or otherwise. Something like pure beingness or Oneness or bliss. I have had those experiences before, but then I was completely loaded with psychedelics… Silly girl :-)

I thought my perception might change radically - dissolution of boundaries between senses / objects; becoming The Witness; observing myself operating on autopilot in a weird disconnected way.

Don’t need to tell you, but none of those things are true. Everything is pretty much the same. However there has been a sense of incredible freedom and joy today, like being a kite flying in the wind. Clarity. I was outside in the spring sunshine for much of the day and the openness of the sky, trees and outdoor space was incredibly present and intimate. Almost ecstatic at points, and a sense of something like surprise at what I was saying and doing at times. Being indoors in confined spaces lessens this somehow. I have been with friends, chatting all day. Not about this – it has been a private unfolding. But I have felt fluid, expansive, unusually articulate, loving, very connected emotionally, liberated, more “me” somehow. The 'flow' I have heard described before. My friends commented more than once that they have never seen me look or sound so well. So true! A soaring sense of freedom and joy at times. And the neurotic “I want it, I want it, where is it, what is it?” feeling has completely gone.

Back home sitting in my kitchen this is far less pronounced. Almost feels like nothing at all has happened. The belief in the entity Kate feels like it is trying to reassert itself again. However if I close my eyes to look, there’s nothing to see. And how can you look for something that doesn’t even exist? What a joke!

I almost don’t want to go to bed because I don’t want to wake up believing in the separate self again. Here’s hoping....

Thank you for your generosity, giving up your time like this. I thought this was going to be the hardest thing of my life, a huge battle and surrender. Just a false belief. That’s it. Amazing.

Love and gratitude and a huge, huge hug

Kate x

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kvotski » Sun May 17, 2015 3:05 am

Super awesome. I am so happy for you. Go to sleep with ease, how can you lose something you never had.

I will come back with some questions for you. You need to answer them to join our group of great guides who all do this voluntarily which is not really volunteer because there is no one here.

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sun May 17, 2015 10:58 am

Oh Sunil. I am consumed by doubts. Much sadness and self-criticism. I am not ready to answer the final questions. Honestly, that feels like a long way off.

I have been comparing what was seen and experienced yesterday with other accounts on here and with my expectations. There are a thousand thoughts jumping about. The seeking is back. "There must be something else, there must be something more."

Yesterday there was a complete seeing through of the belief in a separate entity I had previously assumed was Kate. That was all. And a sense of freedom, presence and spontaneity. That's gone. I had (unusally for me) vivid and upsetting dreams last night about watching unpleasant things happening and being unable to stop them.

Looking for the separate self now, I have a conceptual understanding of this only. It is not realised in the same way as it was yesterday. I 'know' that I am not my thoughts, my emotions, my body. But it's not seen as an illusion. Doubts everywhere. I also 'know' that these doubts are just thoughts, but that doesn't seem to help.

Bitter disappointment.

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kvotski » Sun May 17, 2015 1:44 pm

Give it a few days and report how you are doing?

No self is not a thing. Illusion is not a thing. Don't replace looking for a nonexistent self by that of existence of a no self.

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sun May 17, 2015 3:19 pm

Brilliant. Of course that's what I'm doing. Looking for an illusion. My God, the mind and its tricks. Ok. Will relax into this for a couple of days and come back to you. k i

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kvotski » Sun May 17, 2015 3:38 pm

As I child, I remember my dad taking me to these fantasy movies. I will come home, lie in bed and revisit the entire movie in my head. Mind tries to recreate sensations even after they are gone.

Recently I saw a clip from royal institute in London about consciousness. It's a long u tube but one fellow was describing how we taste based on his research in neuroscience. He said taste has nothing to do with the tongue but the nose. Conclusion, what we sense is a very complex illusion by the mind.

If these imminent scientists can't figure this out yet, how can we. Only thing we can be certain of is the direct experience. And in de, there is no one steering this ship, making the decisions, sensing the world.

I can still love this movie, knowing it is a movie and I am just an idea. I have decades of practice. I could take sanyas but I would still not be there taking sanyas. Why bother?

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Re: hoping that now is here - can someone guide me please?

Postby kgreenbank » Sun May 17, 2015 4:09 pm

"I can still love this movie, knowing that it is a movie and I am just an idea"

Big smile. thank you x


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