Thread for Klaus Zero

[Vivien]

Dear Klaus,

They where used like a thorn, but now I understand that I have to throw away also the other thorn.
The analogy of he thorn that throws away another thorn is also just a thought.
Actually I dont have to do anything, There was no personal I and there was no universal I.

Good looking :)

Has it been clearly seen that there has never been an ‘I’ that could control or own life or anything?
Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?

Is there an 'I' of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
Do others have responsibilities?

Is there a 'you' that started this investigation?
Has there ever been a 'you' doing anything?

Any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?

Love, Vivien

[Klaus Zero]

Dear Vivien

Vivien: Has it been clearly seen that there has never been an ‘I’ that could control or own life or anything?
Klaus: Yes

Vivien: Is there any chooser or decider of any kind?
Klaus: No

Vivien:
Is there an 'I' of any kind whatsoever that could be responsible for anything at all?
Do others have responsibilities?
Klaus: No, there are no others, non has any responsibility

Vivien: Is there a 'you' that started this investigation?
Klaus: No, its a happening, like the whole world.

Vivien: Has there ever been a 'you' doing anything?
Klaus: No, here a memory comes up from a book that I was reading 20 years ago, about Gendün Rinpoche. Gendün was dieing and the diciples thanked him a lot for all he had done to them: Gendün said: Dont you understand! I have done nothing, nothing. I just was drinking tea and eating Zampa, then he died….very funny

Vivien: Any confusion at all or anything you would like to address?
Klaus: Just sharing something. Yesterday in the afternoon further investigation happened. Then the thought of all the burden oft the last 50 years (thought of time) came up. Within the understanding that all that what happened, what the seemingly I has negated was a thought. All the suffering – just thought or labeling some feelings as negativ. A thought about an I and a thought not wanting what is going on. Then „I“ cried a lot, about a half hour. A huge burdon left the body.
Now I understand the fist time the saying: When Buddha wakes up, the whole word wakes up with him. That wakeing up oft he Buddha is the clear seeing, that there is no Buddha, the whole word wakes up … is the clear seeing that there are no others. The whole guilt and shame theme collapses.

Much Love and thankfullness, dear Vivien
Klaus

[Vivien]

Dear Klaus,

Then the thought of all the burden oft the last 50 years (thought of time) came up. Within the understanding that all that what happened, what the seemingly I has negated was a thought. All the suffering – just thought or labeling some feelings as negativ. A thought about an I and a thought not wanting what is going on. Then „I“ cried a lot, about a half hour. A huge burdon left the body.

Beautiful :)

As a next step, there are further six questions to ask as part of this guiding process. The response is then shared with other guides. They may or may not have further questions.

Once it is confirmed by other guides that seeing through the illusion of the self has happened, our conversation in this thread will come to an end, however you won’t be left alone. There is a whole community of others on FB, who have also seen through the ‘self’. Actually, there are several groups to join. Furthermore, if you wish to do further inquiry we can do that in another thread later.

So, are you ready for the six questions?

Love, Vivien

[Klaus Zero]

Dear Vivien,

yes, please send the 6 Questions.

Love Klaus

[Vivien]

Dear Klaus,

OK, here are the questions. Please answer as clearly as possible and with as much detail as needed. Don’t forget to add everyday examples from your experience for question 5.


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?

Love, Vivien

[Klaus Zero]

Dear Vivien:

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

1. There is no such thing than a self or me or I at all. Nowhere in noway, in no shape or form! And it never was. It seemingly was there, but that are just thought creations.
2. The illusion of seperate self is a thought. The thought that there is an I or entity inside the body that has the power, to act, to decide - the tought to be somthing. It starts for example when pain, or fear is felt and wants to be combed out. It has many expressions that follow, like pride to be the doer of some so called „good action“ or guilt for having caused so called „bad actions“. Mostly believing thoughts as totaly real cause the idea of self and personal doership. It can also arise because an unpleasant feeling wich became a label of beeing this or that create the idea.
3. It feels very relaxing, less thoughts are here, compared with the huge amount of thoughts from past week, where trying to go „through“ something took place, huge amount of searching tooke place daily.
4. First there was the seeing that there is no I in this body, but then I changed this a for a univeral I, a konzept that I have been holding for many years (when the personal I vanishes the I am will take care „I thought“, was the idea, the trick of tthe mind). But becoming clear that the I am is also not true brought clarity. First I was shocked, that thoughts, identifications with them and a huge amount of believes have created all the suffering. I cried for a half hour, all the burdon that went away at that day is incredible. The old shame and guilt concepts vanished also, not just for me, fort he whole humanity) I see that this universe unfolds himself in such perfect way. With not beeing someone, something with really beeing nothing at all natural love to creation is there. Love to whom? I dont mind.
5. Decision: there is no possibility for personal decision. Sunday „I“ made the decision to visit a friend in the hospial. Then I did not go there. Then I got a Telefon call from his girl friend and she said: Klaus please go there, he needs you. I did not believe to her thought and within me was nothing that could move me to go there. Then she got angry and wrote some hard words via facebook. I could not be moved to go there. After 2 hours she wrote that she got a telefoncall from the friend and he said, that he does not want any visitors at the moment. First a decision from the I (Ego) and then the perfect functioning of the universe.

Intention: whatever intention comes through a thought the outcome is always that what the functioning oft he universe shows. Personal example. I planned to go for swimming. Fine weather outside, I take my bathing cloth and towel and drive to the lake I want to swim. Some clouds com up, wind, storm …intention haha very funny
Free will: No. No one here no free will. I did not have had it never.
Choice and Control: The same here no I - no choice. Example. I have no choice about the next thought, no choice about war in Isreal or Russia, no choice if my clients by my newest products, no choice or control - not even about the next meal, it can be so salty that …

6. What make things happen: Nothing – things happen, life unfolds life in a perpect way. When we go out in nature everything moves and shines and everything is connected. Nothing is for his own sake. The birds live in the trees, the flowers need the beans and the beans need the nectar of the flowers, the water the wind, the stones, wonderful and perfect arranged. When we look to the same describtion just by the sences, seeing takes places, colurs vibrating, sky and earth together just vibrating colours. I dont know whow it works but I dont care also. It is …thats enough.

7. What I am responsible for? I am not here, therefore not responsible. Nobody is responsible. But what I have seen is that out of this point of view actions, interactions are more loving then in the fear-based-egoic-state. Example. I had to pay bills each month for the house. Then the bourse-crash came. The Bank said your investments are zero now. Ok. Bring 200.000.- Euro security. I said but I dont have. Ok the house went to the bank. Is anyone responsible for this. No. No ist just a movement in the universe, like waves coming and going – house came – house went (and it is so beautifull without the suffering…without responsability to all…really beautifull)



Thank you so much Vivien

Klaus

[Vivien]

Dear Klaus,

Thank you for answering the question. I'm happy to say that the guides are satisfied that you have seen through the illusion of a separate self and none of them has any further questions.

I'm sending you a private message, so please check your inbox.

Love, Vivien

[Klaus Zero]

Dear Vivien,

thank you so much, for all your clarity, I really thank you from the bottom of my heart. I know that you are a Buddha, a no-thing how I wrote in one of the writings. I started do move on, doing my daily works and there is no drinking any more since days.
You must know that I was not able to do anything the last months. And now everything is beginning to move on, in a really relaxing way.

There it is not necessary anymore to try to make understand "my children" trying to give them "my" point of view and that "relationship" is going to be much more direkt and loveing.

Please Vivien: Imagine yourself beeing in a shopping mall. hundreds of People are there, A strange energie goes to a man and makes him believe that he is a frog. Immediatly his body goes down to the ground and he beginns to move like a frog. He beginns to "Quak, Quak". The other people arround look at him, and think this one must be crazy, what he is doing here? But the same strange energy now is going to all of them, but not to you. All the people go down and beginn to "quak". All are moving like frogs. looking at some shops "Quak", "Quak", lokking each other "quak".

For me it is like in this Imagination. I see people running around and "quak", "Quak", ...politicians, "Quak, also spiritual teachers "Quak" ...
Words can be a tool, but like I understood imediatly your clear advice to have a look to that I AM, and to understand that, this is also not true,
I understood that all this spiritual words, about consciousness, and awareness, and beeing in oneness are just "blah, blah, quak, quak...".

Words can be so meaningless. I do not think, that I am here now, having gone through the "gate", beeing clear and the whole world is talking "quak", "quak". What I want to work out is that you helped me so much to go beyond these words, helped to look deep.

I know, all the people are free, have beeing free all the time, all are "Buddhas" all the time, but staying with the strong believe to words, to a "nonexistent" I, staying with the believe that I, you they can do anything, the feeling of not beeing complete must stay.

I do not know how many believes are "here" right now, I see and sence that some sadness is here. I do not mind that this sadness is here. I let the sadness move, come up to burn hisself in the light of love to the whole existence.

I really thank you so much, and I also thank all the happeings, the sadness of a lifetime, that where necessary to bring me to this Point. Life has his one way to bring us back, what we have been the whole time.

Not really understandable ways sometimes.

How to go out of the Shopping mall? It was never here. Never true. How to go out of thoughts, at some point they are meaningsless, not true. Thoughts come and go I dont mind.

Although you know who you are, you where the most important Milestone. Like this it is. When someone has learned to be nothing, this actions of his doing leads to freedom of thousands.

One more time. I THANK YOU and I mean the real you that you are and always have been. (I didnt forget that there is no you, ok?)

With great respect and love and silence

Klaus ZERO