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Re: seeking guidance

Postby jake711 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:25 pm

With kindness I say "Thank you, fear.”
Thank you for doing such a wonderful job in protecting something that was thought to be real.
Nobody could have done it better, more careful and be more diligent in this.
I salute you.
I honor and appreciate you by opening my heart, by exposing you to the space and vastness that you, dear fear, are a very part of.
You must be exhausted after all these years. Allow yourself to collapse and relax into retirement.
Let me know if there's anything I can do for you besides taking the weight off your shoulders.

Silence.

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby smudge » Mon Dec 16, 2013 7:36 pm

Brilliant!

When ready answer this: Is there any boundary between experience, experiencer and experienced? Answer from direct experience as always.

Beautiful process x
"The bad news is you're falling, the good news is theres no ground" Trungpa

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby jake711 » Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:55 pm

Sitting here, with a pen, a Moleskin notebook and a phone. Checking the left wrist to see the time. The thought "you have one more hour before you have to go." Taking a sip of coffee. Warm paper cup. Motown music. Rereading the question.
Thinking does not do and cannot provide an answer.

The actual seeing IS the answer.
There are no boundaries. All there is is __________.
No words can describe it, as it is not a thing.
It's boundless.
An image of Tony Parson comes up and the words "all there is, is boundless energy." For the first time, this is not just intellectually understood but seen in actuality.

The answer to your question:

NO




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Re: seeking guidance

Postby smudge » Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:39 pm

For the first time, this is not just intellectually understood but seen in actuality.
Sounds like a shift..

So, are there any doubts at all about seeing through the illusion of the separate self?

And are you ready for some final clarification questions?
"The bad news is you're falling, the good news is theres no ground" Trungpa

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby jake711 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:10 am

Everything is, stays the same except that there is no belief in an independent "I" anymore.
Worry, relaxation, joy, even thoughts of doubt (yes!) ... all kinds of stuff arises but it doesn't arise TO anyone anymore.
It's like whatever is or was here all the time has lost one thing: a belief in an "I".
Maybe all of this needs time to integrate (?)... whatever that means. Just a thought coming up...
I don't know if anything happened , really ... omg, it gets harder and harder to talk about this. Not because "I" don't want to but simply because there are no words for this.
Am I ready for some final clarification questions?
My honest answer is that I don't know, because it seems like it is about "getting something or going somewhere" when this is not what happened.

Sorry for this confusing paragraph, ... I really try as best as I can. Words! Language! :)

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby smudge » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:30 am

Hi Jake,
Everything is, stays the same except that there is no belief in an independent "I" anymore.
Worry, relaxation, joy, even thoughts of doubt (yes!) ... all kinds of stuff arises but it doesn't arise TO anyone anymore.
It's like whatever is or was here all the time has lost one thing: a belief in an "I".
Sounds like there is clarity that the illusion of doubt has dropped away.
Maybe all of this needs time to integrate
You will be invited to aftercare Facebook groups following ending here where there will be support in what comes next.

Here are the questions: Take your time and answer fully when you are ready:

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything
happen? Give examples from your experience. 6) Anything to add?


I look forward to hearing,
Warm wishes

Smudge
"The bad news is you're falling, the good news is theres no ground" Trungpa

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby jake711 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:22 pm

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No there is not and never has been. The only 'self', ‘me’, ‘I' that’s present is a term of language used for communication.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
The best I can explain it is that it was a belief that fell away. There is no memory of when this belief was established or put into place.
“Describe how it works from your own experience?”
How can something unreal and made-up work, at all? It never did! The belief did not do anything but create an apparent division (there never was a real division) between what is and always has been going on and an illusionary person who thinks being responsible for what happens and claims to be in charge/control of circumstances.
And, there is no one “having a life.”
All there is and ever was, is life.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
The only difference that’s noticed is that the drive to seek for something to complete an (illusionary) me has stopped.
The story of Jake was seen through and recognized for what it is: a storyline, created by thoughts, glued together by the belief in a separate identity.

Now, in a way, everything is free to come up and welcome: nothing is “wrong” anymore; yet nothing is “right” either. It just is what it is.
Once “fear” was addressed it was seen that the emptiness is also full, that everything and no-thing appear in this vastness.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
It’s really hard to answer this. All of a sudden it got clear. The pointing exercises (pointing outside and inside at the same time) left “me” speechless, maybe they had something to do with it? I cannot really say WHAT did it, really… in a way nothing happened.
It’s very subtle but profound.
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything
happen? Give examples from your experience.
No, there is no one who decides, chooses, or controls events.
No, no one here to make anything happen. It’s happening by itself.
Thoughts coming and going, decisions being made, food liked or not liked, headaches happening or not happening, plans being made, plans being changed…. it always has been like this and happened DESPITE of a belief in a “ME” and not because of.

This is freedom.


Dear Smudge, my heart is filled with gratitude and I hope you can feel the hug I just sent across the Atlantic.
Thank you so much for guiding me, for your patience, encouragement and your non BS attitude.

Much love and enjoy the festive season!
-j

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby smudge » Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:12 pm

Thank you, this is very clear, I feel your hug and hug you back! Guiding you has been a delight xxx

Now I need to check if the other guides have any questions, so hang in there a little longer.

Much love

Smudge
"The bad news is you're falling, the good news is theres no ground" Trungpa

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby jake711 » Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:52 pm

I don't know if I can answer anything! LoL I get notifications via email if someone posts on this thread, so it's no big deal. Thank you once again.


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Re: seeking guidance

Postby smudge » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:50 am

Hi Jake,

No questions. It is crystal clear you see.
I wish you well, this is just the beginning!

Soon you will be invited to join aftercare Facebook groups.

Goodbye for now with much love
Smudge
xx
"The bad news is you're falling, the good news is theres no ground" Trungpa

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Re: seeking guidance

Postby jake711 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 4:37 pm

Thank you so much, smudge! I wish you well, too! xo


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