Hi, Vivi!
I think I got it! I will tell you more on Sunday.
Sakari
A thread with dreamer
Re: A thread with dreamer
Hi Sakari
Looking foreward to that!
Looking foreward to that!
Re: A thread with dreamer
Hello, Vivi!
Ok, here’s the story:
After taking the break I rested completely a few days, not thinking anything about DE and that kind of stuff.
After that thinking and looking began to happen gradually. Last Friday I was having a burger in McDonalds. I was hungry and the burger tasted good. So I looked at DE finding the eating happening, the pleasure of eating, the environment and all the usual stuff. I began to wonder, where is I – couldn’t find it in DE but found only thoughts about I. The moment was a nice one and I thought that I should be present but it wasn’t – only thoughts about it. And then it clicked! The I has never been present in DE, only thoughts about it. Is it sensible to assume that there is an I that has never been experienced directly? Definitely not. The “me” I am familiar with is a thought. Of course it MIGHT point to something real just like unicorns MAY exist somewhere!
It is quite strange that somehow I have known or maybe better to say, assumed everything above but haven’t seen or understood it before. And it is still kind of hard to believe and there is a strong sense of self but the beautiful thing is that I can always look in DE and see if there is “me” or just thoughts about it! And for some reason this makes me smile widely! Otherwise nothing has notably changed since Friday. But there are some changes that have happened gradually during our correspondence and the break. I worry about future much less than before. I have also lost interest in some hurtful experiences in the past that used to bother me a lot. In general I feel more relaxed and trusting that things take care of themselves instead of excessively detailed planning. Not a bad result in a couple of months!
So, I am quite happy with everything above. Thank you very much, you have helped me a lot! Happy to answer any questions!
Sakari
Ok, here’s the story:
After taking the break I rested completely a few days, not thinking anything about DE and that kind of stuff.
After that thinking and looking began to happen gradually. Last Friday I was having a burger in McDonalds. I was hungry and the burger tasted good. So I looked at DE finding the eating happening, the pleasure of eating, the environment and all the usual stuff. I began to wonder, where is I – couldn’t find it in DE but found only thoughts about I. The moment was a nice one and I thought that I should be present but it wasn’t – only thoughts about it. And then it clicked! The I has never been present in DE, only thoughts about it. Is it sensible to assume that there is an I that has never been experienced directly? Definitely not. The “me” I am familiar with is a thought. Of course it MIGHT point to something real just like unicorns MAY exist somewhere!
It is quite strange that somehow I have known or maybe better to say, assumed everything above but haven’t seen or understood it before. And it is still kind of hard to believe and there is a strong sense of self but the beautiful thing is that I can always look in DE and see if there is “me” or just thoughts about it! And for some reason this makes me smile widely! Otherwise nothing has notably changed since Friday. But there are some changes that have happened gradually during our correspondence and the break. I worry about future much less than before. I have also lost interest in some hurtful experiences in the past that used to bother me a lot. In general I feel more relaxed and trusting that things take care of themselves instead of excessively detailed planning. Not a bad result in a couple of months!
So, I am quite happy with everything above. Thank you very much, you have helped me a lot! Happy to answer any questions!
Sakari
Re: A thread with dreamer
Hi Sakari
Nice read :)
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6) Anything to add?
Greetings Vivi
Nice read :)
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
6) Anything to add?
Greetings Vivi
Re: A thread with dreamer
Hi, Vivi!
I have been quite busy. Will answer in a few days.
Sakari
I have been quite busy. Will answer in a few days.
Sakari