The Gate

Choosing is based on experience/conditioning. Brain chooses based on what its learnt.

Is there a you which is differentiated from the brain?

Hi Leah,

Haven't heard from you in 3 days,

How's everything?

So sorry but my computer has died and I have no internet access. Just found a way to reply (came to my parents) but I might be out of contact until it gets fixed. Will read your reply and think over my answer and write as soon as I can.

Thanks,

Leah

Hi,

I am back, connected with the world via internet! Its amazing to think how integral the internet has become in such a short space of time!

Anyhow, in short the answer to your question,

Is there a you which is differentiated from the brain?

....as far as I can see no.

Look forward to hearing from you.

Leahx

Are you liberated?

WOW now that's a question.

Are you liberated?

I find it quite overwhelming in many ways. But it is true.

'Free'? I some ways, some times. 'Liberated' but not in a way I thought I would be!!!

But maybe that's the point?

Lx

I find it quite overwhelming in many ways. But it is true.

What is true?

'Free'? I some ways, some times.

What does it mean?

'Liberated' but not in a way I thought I would be!!!

What do you mean?

Ha ha it seems that everything I said you do not understand. I'll try again.

You asked,

idolanuel wrote:Are you liberated?

I find it quite overwhelming in many ways. But it is true.


What is true?

It is true that everything is created inside your brain. I have now see that, for real. Is there an 'I' a 'self'? Only that your brain has created.

'Free'? I some ways, some times.


What does it mean?

In answering your question "am I liberated' I googled the definition of 'liberation', t came up with freedom. So am I free now I have seen the truth? "In someways" is my answer to that!

'Liberated' but not in a way I thought I would be!!!


What do you mean?

Again you asked "are you liberated". I am assuming you mean liberation from the believe that "I" exists? I suppose I feel I have seen something but I do feel all that different.

Hope I'm a little clearer?

Lx

In answering your question "am I liberated' I googled the definition of 'liberation', t came up with freedom. So am I free now I have seen the truth? "In someways" is my answer to that!

In what ways are you free and in what are you not?

Again you asked "are you liberated". I am assuming you mean liberation from the believe that "I" exists? I suppose I feel I have seen something but I do feel all that different.

What do you mean you have seen 'something'? Is it now gone? Is it stable?
Do you think that you need to feel different in order to become liberated?

Hi,

In what ways are you free and in what are you not?

I am free because...my thoughts are just a process of brain activity. They are not controlled. Knowing this, and that there is no one there, as it were, makes it easier to not get swept in to a mental conversation with 'I' about 'I'.

I am not free because...this is not my default mode. The brain still talks in my voice about this person it tells me is me. It is not easy to maintain clarity all of the time.

What do you mean you have seen 'something'? Is it now gone? Is it stable?

I suppose I have actually seen nothing. Stripping things away, peeling back the layers I saw that there was no 'I' really there in control or doing things to make this body and mind work. I have seen myself for what I really am. What I have seen (or not seen) has not gone, it is a truth I will not be able to unsee. But sometimes I get swept along with my mind in a kind of unconscious state.

Do you think that you need to feel different in order to become liberated?

No. But I thought this seeing would change something.

Lx

Great Leah,
So,

I am not free because...this is not my default mode. The brain still talks in my voice about this person it tells me is me. It is not easy to maintain clarity all of the time.

Seeing that no one controlls brain activity,
Does it really make you not free?
Is there anyone there that can be free or not, depending on some brain activity that in uncontrolled anyway?
Does the brain activity has to stop, in order for something to be right? In order for you to become liberated? Please take a deep look at this.

Can you SEE, that THIS is what it IS, and there's nothing that have to be changed?

Does it really make you not free?

Is there anyone there that can be free or not, depending on some brain activity that in uncontrolled anyway?
Does the brain activity has to stop, in order for something to be right? In order for you to become liberated? Please take a deep look at this.

No you are right there is no one to free.

Brain activity will not stop. I see that. There is no such thing as right and wrong, just how it is.

I will take a deeper look tomorrow and see if anythign else pops up.

Lx

Good,

Tell me what comes up.

Please don't follow what I say,
Follow only what u SEE.

OK this is what I see.

It feels like now I know that my brain is just my brain and not 'me' if you like my thoughts can kinda get interrupted or ignored. SO like now, as I closed my eyes and just stopped to experience the moment and see what popped up, my brain started verbalising that I should have been keeping your words in my mind more today. Like telling me off. Obviously knowing that brains do that, I can kinda stop that thought mid flow and bring my attention back to the moment.

So, the mind or brain can fire some pretty brutal things, sometimes this can lead to a battle in the brain or words which in turn influence your mood/emotion/physical being etc. Sometimes this is unavoidable, or uncontrollable.

Seeing that no one controlls brain activity,
Does it really make you not free?

There is no freedom as such, it's just that when it is possible to let thoughts swish on past, or just be, this feels like freedom from something. Like the something that used to control my every action.

Can you SEE, that THIS is what it IS, and there's nothing that have to be changed?

Yes I see this.

Leah

Lx

Hello Leah...

Ido is taking a break...It appears you've seen it, and have an understanding to some degree on how to look.

my brain started verbalising that I should have been keeping your words in my mind more today. Like telling me off. Obviously knowing that brains do that, I can kinda stop that thought mid flow and bring my attention back to the moment.

Sure you're gonna have some chatter; But keep in mind that what's in your head is isolated and is separate from this realm...Kinda like when watching a movie; It's easy to get caught up in the movie BUT when it's over and you step away, the centering and foundation of awakening is "The Now".

So, the mind or brain can fire some pretty brutal things, sometimes this can lead to a battle in the brain or words which in turn influence your mood/emotion/physical being etc. Sometimes this is unavoidable, or uncontrollable.

Oh Ya! the mind can and will be cruel in getting your attention...This is on going post gate, but with practice and conditioning/aftercare These "Velcro" thoughts will subside and in turn (with time) can be dismissed all together with work...Again you MUST be truthful with yourself in "ALL" these area's that "pop up" and each individual is different. Some thoughts that have gone unaddressed now will eventually pop up. Yet knowing the truth, and performing the work mentally or through autolosis (writing it down, and using the truth and or "reality" to break it down.) can also help...

Try reading back through both threads since you've started here; You've done Very Well!! Look at "where and what" we're pointing at...And tell me if you're ready to confirm, or is there something that we're missing.

Let me know...(One more time for the record:) is there any real 'I' in any sense, shape or form?