Awakent

[Abner]

Hearing, tasting, seeing, smelling, and thinking,
and even feeling ( which is all over the body)
are all in the head...so yes, it apears that
Abner is in the head.
I have tried to debunk this for many years but
have failed every time.

[Seamist]

How do you know that?

[Abner]

How do you know that?
I dont know it...but it apears/feels/seems
to be that way.

[Seamist]

Do you find that in direct experience? That is, can you see/hear/touch/taste/smell it?

[Abner]

Do you find that in direct experience? Th
at is, can you see/hear/touch/taste/smell it?
No...definately not found in DE.

[Seamist]

Everything else is imagined. Do you "see" that?

[Seamist]

Or...
Can you find a self anywhere, outside of thought?
xx

[Abner]

Can you find a self anywhere, outside of thought?
No...because the only thing there is outside of
thought is DE...you can not find a self in DE.
Everything else is imagined. Do you "see" that?
Yes

[Seamist]

Good
Thought points to the feet being ‘down there’, so presumably you are above your feet. Where are you?
Sit quietly, take in a few deep breaths and then close your eyes.
Locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?

x

[Seamist]

you're quiet today, Abner, and that's unusual - hope you're ok?
xx

[Abner]

Hi,

Im fine, just tired today
Thank you for your concern


Thought points to the feet being ‘down there’, so presumably you are above your feet. Where are you?
If feet are down there..I feel like I am "up" here.
Sit quietly, take in a few deep breaths and then close your eyes.
Locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?
My farhead...third eye.

[Seamist]

Glad to know you're doing ok, Abner
Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?
My farhead...third eye. IS THAT "ABNER"?
x

[Seamist]

PS I'm going to be off-line for a few days as from this afternoon - back on tuesday morning (my time)
xx

[Abner]

IS THAT "ABNER"?
No...just a farhead.

[Seamist]

Hi Abner

IS THAT "ABNER"?
No...just a farhead.

just so

Let’s say that you have lost your keys and you swear that you left them in your coat. You go to look and check all the pockets - the keys are not there. You swear they must be as that was the last place you remember them. You have a vivid memory of putting them there after you left the house. But when you check they are not there. At this point you can keep believing that the keys are in your pocket, or you can admit you were mistaken. This is just like that. You may see clearly that the self is an illusion but still feel a sense of self - just like the keys. But feeling something to be true and seeing that it is or is not is different. This is why we may find ourselves coming back to your expectations at the start and at the end.
Now, I’d like to ask you to explore this SENSE of self very-very thoroughly. Not by thinking about it, but by FEELING it.
Keep the focus of attention on the sense of self and inquire:-
Does the sense of self have a location?
Does the sense of self have a shape or a size?
Does the sense of self say or communicate anything?
If the answer is yes, how does the sense do this exactly?
Does the sense of self have any characteristics or attributes?
What is the sense of self ‘made of’? An image? Sound? Taste? Smell? Sensation? Thought?

xx