Ok, this is a key point.Yes, but the mind needs to interpret that experiencing.
yes, well they add to experiencing and thus change it, so that Experiencing becomes in part the direct Experiencing and the rest (perhaps most of it) becomes the result of the stories. There are the thoughts that describe the Experiencing, which are still story and conceptual, but are directly related to the Experiencing, and then there are the thoughts that are about those thoughts. An example would be the thoughts that attribute meaning to the Experiencing, or the thoughts that concentrate on possible outcomes, the future oriented thoughts. It's the response to these thoughts that are the main cause of suffering.So there are stories that retract me from seeing & accepting experience.
Yes, of course they do. The mind is very good at finding evidence to reinforce them. Even the emotional response to them is taken as proof that they are right. The other thing is that they are never questioned. The whole world (it seems) also backs up this way of thinking (especially the advertisers of product to 'improve' your situation) Even language supports it.The stories do seem real to some extent..
Yes, and where this is seen, there is no longer an identification with the personal attributes of the stories. They are still useful, mind you. They have a place, but the illusion that they are 'you' or 'you' are them is seen through. We can now tell the difference between what is conceptual and what is reality.they are not part of experience but there meaning etc. is understood.
If the (content of) thoughts were unreal they wouldn't be able to produce a real product such as emotion etc.Even the emotional response to them is taken as proof that they are right.
Happiness.As a kid, what did you feel when you thought of Santa ?
Fear.As an adult what emotion arose when you thought the rope was a snake ?
Yes, they produced real emotions. They weren't fictitious thoughts until they were seen to be incorrect.So didn't these thoughts of fiction produce real emotions ?
So for a while there was belief that they were correct ?They weren't fictitious thoughts until they were seen to be incorrect.
Yes.So for a while there was belief that they were correct ?
Yes, in seeing that the thoughts don't line up with reality...and when seen that they were fictitious, the emotional response changed, right ?
Ok. So then comes the belief of a self (controller/thinker) existing in the mind.In exactly the same way, when the thoughts about a 'self' are seen to be fictitious, the responses change and we find we are relating to Reality rather than story.
Can you see that this self exists as a mental construct ?Ok. So then comes the belief of a self (controller/thinker) existing in the mind.
Maybe.Can you see that this self exists as a mental construct ?
Are the bits that are not certain, thoughts that say "self might be some organ that science hasn't discovered yet", or "self might be a physical part of the brain, not yet identified by science" or "self is thoughts that are special thoughts, ones that are unlike the garbage thoughts that occur sometimes." ? ..or what ?Yes, the self exists as a concept. But I am not completely certain.
Something along the lines of this."self is thoughts that are special thoughts, ones that are unlike the garbage thoughts that occur sometimes." ?
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