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Re: gibraltar liberation

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2026 12:41 pm
by graceabounds
drill down one more layer beyond ‘safety’ and ‘comfort’…. what is the direct experience of these, prior to words about them?

Re: gibraltar liberation

Posted: Sat May 02, 2026 10:22 pm
by Sukie
Hi,
Sorry for the delay, I've looked beyond the comfort and safety several times, I'm not finding anything, well.. its like I'm looking through a tunnel, that still has some flavour of 'me', this can widen sometimes to include the space around me, but its just empty space, or aware space, or space I'm aware of...its nothing and nothing has changed or happened....Im worried that this might be it, I would be so disappointed...please advise :)

Re: gibraltar liberation

Posted: Sun May 03, 2026 12:18 pm
by graceabounds
Where exactly is this “flavour of me”?
Is it in sensation?
Is it in the visual field?
Does it have a location, shape, boundary?

Look again, precisely. If you don’t directly find something
then be honest… Is the “flavour of me” anything more than a thought claiming ownership?

I would be so disappointed
What exactly were you expecting to happen? What would that provide to the structure of ‘you’?

That expectation, is it here now?

What if nothing was ever supposed to happen?

Because this isn’t about producing a new experience.
It’s about seeing what’s already the case…

Re: gibraltar liberation

Posted: Sat May 09, 2026 9:59 am
by Sukie
Where exactly is this “flavour of me”?
Is it in sensation?
Is it in the visual field?
Does it have a location, shape, boundary?
It seems to be the shape of my field, its only on the left side, it seems illuminated, conscious and the right side seems dark and quiet. I seem always to 'look out of the tunnel' on the left which feels like my energy field, it bulges out on the left, thats what feels like me, its in my head and in front, it seems yellowish, lit up, these are all thoughts about something like sensation but less than physical sensation.

There is nothing physical there of course, this feels like distraction. That the inquiry should be focussed 'backwards' into the abyss of the mind, where there is nothing and so it is difficult to maintain focus there.
What exactly were you expecting to happen? What would that provide to the structure of ‘you’?
I was expecting my sense of self to be replaced with a feeling of oneness. If nothing is supposed to happen, how should I know when it hasn't? :))

Re: gibraltar liberation

Posted: Sat May 09, 2026 12:36 pm
by graceabounds
Very good.
There is nothing physical there
Exactly. This is critical seeing. What you describe is not a self. It is a recurring perceptual/conceptual pattern. A thought immediately tries to convert a sensation into a location of identity.
“This is where I am looking from.”
“The quiet side is not-me.” etc

WHY does that illuminated region feel important?

I seem always to ‘look out of the tunnel’
Can you find an actual looker there?

the inquiry should be focussed ‘backwards’ into the abyss
That is a trap. You are imagining liberation as finding the correct direction to aim attention.
But no direction contains a self!


Examine the illuminated left-field directly.
Without referring to memory, using spatial imagination,
or even describing it, what is actually there?

Look before the labels.
Does the “yellow conscious tunnel” say “I am you”? Or does thought say that afterward?


You mention the right side feels “dark and quiet.”

Notice the automatic assumption
illuminated = me
quiet = absence
What if the quiet side simply lacks narrative?

Stay with the left side sensations. Is there an owner of it?
Or only the appearance of localized experiencing plus a story ABOUT “me”?

I was expecting my sense of self to be replaced with a feeling of oneness.
Take a look back at this from when you registered:
Concerning Liberation

We are fully aware of the fact that the term “Liberation” has different meanings in different traditions. In order to not set up false expectations, we'd like to make it clear that we use the word in a very specific way. In the context of Liberation Unleashed, liberation refers to the clear, unambiguous and direct realisation of the absence of a separate self. Because not everyone, perhaps no one comes to the Gate without at least some degree of latent tendencies, what we refer to as liberation may not be what you expect of it. Seeing self for what it really is - a story, does not mean that your life is suddenly upgraded in every conceivable way. Old habits, beliefs, programming and conditioning will very probably remain in place. Awakening from the story of you allows old patterns to drop away quickly. The foundation upon which these patterns were based is gone. In this sense, liberation is just the beginning.
‘Feeling of oneness’ is a concept of something off in the distance, not here now. We aren’t aiming for it here. What we are after is clear seeing of this first stage in the awakening process: there is no separate self at all, never has been, never will be.

So take a look.
Who owns that concept of ‘oneness’ and who compares what IS with this concept?

And since you asked ‘how should I know’… The I cannot know. The I cannot take credit for knowing or not knowing. There is no I.

So what we look for here at LU is the end of seeking. Once what is is seen that energy falls away and life goes on as it was and always has been. Free of doership.