Freedom

[Anastacia42]

Sorry, no certificates.

Can you say 100% that there's no separate "self? " Have you experienced a shift in how things look?

If so, we do have some "final" questions for you.

Loving

[MinnaO]

Can you say 100% that there's no separate "self? " Have you experienced a shift in how things look?

Yes, I can say that there is no separate self. That part is clear.
But the how things look, it seems to be a gradual process for me.

So am I ready for your final questions, I hope so!

[Anastacia42]

Great. If need be, we can do further guiding, but I think you've got this.



1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Loving,

[MinnaO]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

No there is not and ever was.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.

Separate self is just a programming in our minds that makes us believe that we can control our lifes and make decisions and plans for the future.
Also it creates this illusion that we are this person, this body, that is separate from everything that seem to be outside of us, objects and people.
When we born here we are connected to everything, everything is "one" and part of us. We experience that everything is we. I think illusion of separate self starts when we are little babies and our parents teach us our names and shows the mirror in front of us and tells us that the picture in the mirror is us. Little by little more layers are learned from people around us who teach us what we can do and what is not allowed. They teach us what are the objects around us, labeling everything. Teaching us how this world works and programming us to fit in the society. All that programming makes us feel separate from everyone else and from everything around us. For me all these beliefs has given the feeling of being really alone here.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue?
Please report from the past few days.

I think I have seen this for longer period of time already. Even before this dialogue, but this dialogue has cleared it more.
Definately feeling more relaxed about things that are appearing in my life. For example before when my friend cancelled her visit, I was thinking about it a lot and was little angry because I made arrengement, food, cleared my calendar and so on for her.
But now, when it happened, I was just, ok, that is fine and was happy having more space for myself:) Same thing with my partner, who is suppose to move to live with me. Before I was anxious about it, not sure if I really want it or not. Now it's like; it's ok, what ever happens! That is a big change. Or thinking about my job. Earlier I was so fed up with it and thinking all the time what else can I do with my life, started to look for other jobs, applied even, started to study other occupation, but felt it too hard and left it.
This week going to work was not a problem at all and thought that I still might be there other 30 years is just fine! How strange is that!
So everything feels ok, what ever happens. And that is really a huge change. No need to seek anything any more.
Such a relief that I can really stop controlling...and realize that never even was one to control.
More stillness and more just observing what happens. Like in the nature. It's so fascinating to see the flow there and realize that I am the part of it...like ants doing their things as ants and humans doing their things as humans. All the same flow. Beautiful.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

I quess this LU forum and this conversations and exercises with guide. I had this knowing already in my gut somehow, but this really has cleared it and kind of confirmed what I knew before inside me.
So life pushed me here to really look.

5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control. What makes things happen? How does it work?
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Now when I know what I know, decision is something that just happens. Body seem to say "yes" to something and decision happens by itself. No need self for that.
Self doesn't know the intention, only life does. There is no thing as free will, since there is no such thing as "I".
There are no choices and control either. I have no idea what makes things happen and how does it work. It seems like a mystery to me.
This body seems to have some likes and dislikes and it goes with the flow towards likes I quess. Life brings things and happenings here and then comes thought from nowhere (maybe brain makes those) and says what is a good idea to do. "I" am not responsible for thoughts. Everything just seem to function much better without "me" interfering.
Body just takes action towards what it needs. Like going to toilet.

6) Anything to add?

Just great appreciation and gratefulness arises about this whole process!

Much love : "Minna"

[Anastacia42]

Thank you, Minna.

Your answers will be shared with other guides, who may have questions.

Loving,

[Anastacia42]

No one had any questions. Our conversation is complete. Watch for an email with more information.

Also, watch these, please:

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

This is just a beginning.

We have a couple of support groups that are meeting via teleconference and I'll give you the information on that.

There are 3 meetings.

Vince Shubert runs one on the weekends. Write to vinceschubert@gmail.com for the link & schedule.

Luchana & Lubo run one on Thursdays. Write to Luchana at luchanauzunova@gmail.com

Ilona holds a monthly meeting. Write admin@ilonaciunaite.com for that link & schedule

Loving,

[MinnaO]

Thank you so much Stacy!

Yes, this is just a beginning!

Much love : Minna