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Re: ???
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 1:24 pm
by Elad
Life becomes extraordinarily simple 😊
Beautiful. Enjoy that for the next day, write me tomorrow how things look/feel.
And write me tomorrow also: There is no self, noone in control and responsible for anything. Is it true?
Re: ???
Posted: Wed Apr 24, 2024 2:00 pm
by Anrol
Will do , much love and gratitude 🙏🏻
Re: ???
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 5:41 pm
by Anrol
Hello Elad ,
On embarking on this reply there was an initial tendency to giving a review of the various states which have come in and out over the last hours but it seems irrelevant in the light of the realisation that there really is only now . It has dawned just how much is available in the moment, how incredibly subtle and simple it all is , when attention is given consistently more and more detail is revealed in the physical and the mental. When attention isn’t being given and thoughts dominate this passes and there is no judgement. There are internal reactions to things ,these are seen , not acted upon and not judged. No one controlling , no self .
Much love ,
Anrol
Re: ???
Posted: Thu Apr 25, 2024 7:17 pm
by Elad
Beautiful Anrol 💗🙏🌻
Please answer *all* the following questions in one message. Make sure you answer each one below "ANSWER" so it is easy to track what questions you are answering individually. After receiving your answers maybe I will ask some questions. If all sounds clear to me I will share with other guides who might have some clarifying/opening questions. We always do this in LU when we get to "this place". After that process you and I will talk about onwards.
The questions:
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
ANSWER:
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
ANSWER:
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.
ANSWER:
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?
ANSWER:
5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.
ANSWER:
6) What makes things happen? How does it work?
ANSWER:
7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
ANSWER:
8) Anything to add?
ANSWER
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:06 am
by Anrol
Answer 1.
There are contractions, negative feelings, imaginings. All these seem to be separate because they are deemed unpleasant and so things to be removed. On closer inspection they are not separate and cannot be as it isn’t possible to choose when they come and go. When they do come there then seems to be a choice about whether or not to indulge them, make them into the story of a “me”. The “me” is fictional, the states are real .
Answer 2.
The senses perceive something, there is an emotional response felt in the body. A thought arises as a response to the sensation. It is then processed in the mind where it causes imagination which then creates the story of “me” based on previous reactions to experience.
Answer 3.
There is no apparent feeling response attached to the seeing of this. It is a more consistent seeing of this being the case. It was seen before but now the desire to see is being fuelled with much greater intensity.
Over the past couple of days the negative states have not been hooked onto so forcibly. The frustration and bliss have been more intense. Neither allowed predominate , and a clear seeing that both will pass.
Answer 4.
Not until being confronted with these questions. The initial response was one of intense frustration and resistance then on seeing this there was laughter momentarily then back again into the resistance. It wasn’t possible to begin answering immediately for practical reasons, this was seen as for a purpose. There was a need for space from the resistance to enable the answers to show up.
Answer 5.
Decision :- If undecided wait , and a decision will always show up.
Intention :-Blows in like a warm breeze, always welcome.
Free will :- Not apparent .
Choice and control:-
When thoughts are seen it seems possible to choose to not become hooked, but can’t be so otherwise not being hooked would always be chosen .
Control is a false belief that the illusory self can make things happen in a way that it desires.
Answer 6 .
This is a mystery.
Answer 7.
Nothing. No examples .
Anything to add .
More guidance please !
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:18 am
by Elad
Answer 1.
There are contractions, negative feelings, imaginings. All these seem to be separate because they are deemed unpleasant and so things to be removed. On closer inspection they are not separate and cannot be as it isn’t possible to choose when they come and go. When they do come there then seems to be a choice about whether or not to indulge them, make them into the story of a “me”. The “me” is fictional, the states are real .
Answer 2.
The senses perceive something, there is an emotional response felt in the body. A thought arises as a response to the sensation. It is then processed in the mind where it causes imagination which then creates the story of “me” based on previous reactions to experience.
Answer 3.
There is no apparent feeling response attached to the seeing of this. It is a more consistent seeing of this being the case. It was seen before but now the desire to see is being fuelled with much greater intensity.
Over the past couple of days the negative states have not been hooked onto so forcibly. The frustration and bliss have been more intense. Neither allowed predominate , and a clear seeing that both will pass.
Answer 4.
Not until being confronted with these questions. The initial response was one of intense frustration and resistance then on seeing this there was laughter momentarily then back again into the resistance. It wasn’t possible to begin answering immediately for practical reasons, this was seen as for a purpose. There was a need for space from the resistance to enable the answers to show up.
Answer 5.
Decision :- If undecided wait , and a decision will always show up.
Intention :-Blows in like a warm breeze, always welcome.
Free will :- Not apparent .
Choice and control:-
When thoughts are seen it seems possible to choose to not become hooked, but can’t be so otherwise not being hooked would always be chosen .
Control is a false belief that the illusory self can make things happen in a way that it desires.
Answer 6 .
This is a mystery.
Answer 7.
Nothing. No examples .
Anything to add .
More guidance please !
Thank you Anrol! What do wish more guidance with? What is unclear or challenging?
Also, can you answer again to (4), what tipped you over, make it as simple/clear and sincere as possible, the answer is not clear to me.
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:23 am
by Elad
Also wondering if it feels direct and clear to you beyond doubt that the self is an illusion. I don't mean just logical conviction based on evidence, more like "Santa Claus is not real and Self is not real", of course.
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:39 am
by Anrol
No I don’t think it does.
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:43 am
by Elad
No I don’t think it does.
Okay! Dig into the doubt, what is it? When is it? Where is it?
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:46 am
by Elad
Also look into what you call negative feelings, when it's there. Feel the sensations. Is there anything in the sensations that say "this is a negative feeling" or is that a conceptual overlay?
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:52 am
by Anrol
A feeling of despair, numbness . An intense feeling of turmoil in the gut .
An overlay I guess because there is no solid reason for the negative feelings.
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:57 am
by Elad
A feeling of despair, numbness . An intense feeling of turmoil in the gut .
An overlay I guess because there is no solid reason for the negative feelings.
Okay look at that more, don't settle for "I guess".
Describe the sensations to me at a purely physical/energetic level, stuff like: warm, cold, tingle, vibration, contraction, expansion, lightness, heaviness, etc.
You see the difference between that and words like despair, doubt or negative?
Do the sensations by themselves say that anything is negative?
Do the sensations say they are you or yours, that they refer to a self?
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 11:01 am
by Anrol
After reading that there was a strong emotional response relating in tears . Now there is warmth , relaxation, tingling in the spine area .
Re: ???
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 12:15 pm
by Elad
After reading that there was a strong emotional response relating in tears . Now there is warmth , relaxation, tingling in the spine area .
Lovely 💚
In your own time, when ready, reread my questions from today and answer so we are as clear as possible about what is going, "where you are at".
Re: ???
Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 7:42 am
by Anrol
Hello Elad ,
I have just re read the questions from yesterday and am experiencing a feeling of overwhelm at the prospect of answering again. There were quite a few . Did you want answers to everything that was asked for the whole day , or where there specific ones ?
Thank you