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Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:06 pm
by Jade121
Dear Magdalena,
When you use the label “self-compassion”, how does it really feel, i.e. what bodily sensations is it applied to?
It is a full stop for the mind. It is not applied to bodily sensation, but to thought trains running amok. There is nothing the mind can do when compassion is needed, except stop producing more thought and allowing sensation to take centre stage.
No one will receive a bonus or anything. ;-)
Haha...lol.
Can you stop pretending to be the seeker Jade RIGHT NOW?
There is no seeker, there has never been. There is no choice - no stopping or starting anything. If there is a mask it just is, if there is pretending it just is - nothing to do.
If you can’t, can you make a pact with yourself to try and drop this identity just for some time?
Like, pretend it’s not there for two or three days, just for fun?
Live like it’s not there?
All that can be done is being life - no dropping, no picking up.
With Love
Jade
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:15 pm
by Magdalena
Dear Jade,
All that can be done is being life - no dropping, no picking up.
How is this seeing affecting Jade's daily life?
Jade's relationships with people?
Jade's mind chatter?
Jade's view of her past and her future?
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 7:55 am
by Jade121
Dear Magdalena,
How is this seeing affecting Jade's daily life?
Jade's relationships with people?
Jade's mind chatter?
Jade's view of her past and her future?
How do I look for that? All I can come up with is imagine/remember a past set it next to an idealisation of the present to compare what exactly? How past ways of being impacted daily life vs. now? How do I see any of that? All seems like a lot of mind chatter?
With Love
Jade
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:06 am
by Magdalena
Dear Jade,
...All seems like a lot of mind chatter
I see.
Would you say that the illusion of an inherent separate self has been seen through?
Or is something still missing?
Is there any doubt?
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:30 am
by Jade121
Dear Magdalena,
Would you say that the illusion of an inherent separate self has been seen through?
I am not sure how to see the answer to this one either. There is the thought/feeling that comes up: more time is needed - why and for what I do not know.
Or is something still missing?
Is there any doubt?
There is more clarity here. No, everything just is what it is, nothing missing. There is no problem with doubt, when/if doubt is present.
With Love
Jade
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2024 8:37 am
by Magdalena
Dear Jade,
There is the thought/feeling that comes up: more time is needed - why and for what I do not know.
This is quite common.
Please watch this short video and tell me what comes up. No rush. Take things easy (as always).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJQcD588g2w&t=14s
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:54 am
by Magdalena
Hello, Jade,
How's it going? Anything returned to sender? ;-)
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 9:54 am
by Jade121
Hello dear Magdalena,
LOL! The return has been stamped, accepted by the postoffice and is now languishing somewhere in a big post bag, being lugged around - moved here and there.
It is on its way. Some stretches are blissful, some (just like the video said) a bit more sticky.
There is no need for it to be any other way then the way it is. There is a lot of gratitude for what is as it is.
With Love
Jade
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:22 am
by Magdalena
Dear Jade,
Sounds lovely.
We have a set of so-called final questions (though there is nothing finał about any of this), to help us see if everything is clear. After they are answered, you get access to a private forum and Facebook groups where you can talk to others who understand.
Would you like me to send you these questions?
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:45 am
by Jade121
Yes, please.
With Love
Jade
Ps. There is nothing final. What a beautiful statement.
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Fri Apr 26, 2024 10:51 am
by Magdalena
So, Jade, here goes.
Please answer all the questions from your current seeing, without going into theoretical concepts.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
5) Describe
- decision,
- intention,
- free will,
- choice and control.
What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
6) Anything to add?
No rush, as always.
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:51 pm
by Jade121
Dear Magdalena,
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
There is no explaining what it is. It isn’t. It works as a field of distortion to help see that there is no self.
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
Like everything just is what it is. No need to push, pull, manipulate or hide. Deep moments of rest and appreciation. Then life goes on just like before. This is it.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Realising that there is no doer, no action and no power to change or influence any outcome at all. No will, no one to decide, no thinker of thought.
5) Describe
- decision,
- intention,
- free will,
- choice and control.
Illusions the bunch of them.
What makes things happen? How does it work? Give examples from experience.
What difference does knowing that make? It still is what it is. (Ps. I remember asking this question once – but there is nothing that cares for the answer anymore)
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
Absolutely nothing. What a liberation.
Anything to add?
With no rush, as always, here comes the sun.
With Love
Jade
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 2:11 pm
by Magdalena
Dear Jade,
Thanks for your replies. They feel so free to read.
Other guides will now look at them too, who may or may not have extra questions for you.
I'll be in touch.
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:53 pm
by Magdalena
Jade,
It appears that you have crossed the Gateless Gate, but is there a Gate? And is there anyone to cross it? And is this an end, a beginning, or both? 😉
There have been no more questions for you, which means that your name will soon be turned blue. Look out for an admin message about the various options available to you now, such as joining our Facebook groups, and other matters.
Feel free to explore the private LU forum you will be able to access once your name has turned blue, join in any group discussions on FB, or make use of LU online support groups run by senior guides free of charge.
There are three of those, and they meet on Zoom – do contact the organisers for extra info, links and schedules:
1) Vince runs one on Wednesdays and weekends. Contact:
vinceschubert@gmail.com
2) Luchana and Lubo run one on Thursdays. Contact: Luchana at
luchanauzunova@gmail.com
3) Ilona holds a monthly meeting. Contact:
admin@ilonaciunaite.com
It's been lovely talking to you. See you on the other side. 🙂🙂🙂
Re: Return to sender
Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 5:27 pm
by Jade121
Dear Magdalena,
Thank you for your guidance.
See you here
With Love
Jade