Looking for a Guide

[Elad]

Now the thoughts that say "there must be a seer", are they a self or just thoughts? And the sensations are they a self or just sensations?

Thoughts are just thoughts
Sensations are just sensations
No self can be found

There is a tightening against saying/writing “no self can be found,” perhaps a clinging to the concept. Habit energy?

Great attending here.

Two ways to work with the tightening:

1) Let the tightening be felt and be curious about it, like a friend, ask it "what do you want to tell me dear? what do you want to protect?" write down the answers. The tightening is often associated with fear, and it means well. SO we wanna just listen to it, learn from it, and finally also help it feel safe in knowing that nothing of value is to be taken away. You will stay unique and lovable, the only thing that will go away is the illusion of separation from the whole of life. This is true for all emotions and sensations, they are to be welcomed and embraced with love. A big part of this process is really to learn that it is possible to be lovable as whole, with all the feelings.

2) Inquire into the tightening: Is it a self or just a sensation? Does it in any direct way say that something is wrong and it needs to be changed, or can it just be lovingly let be? What feels best?

[DebbieGinnie]

Find “me” in the body

Find a comfortable place to sit or lie.
Take in a few deep breaths to settle the dust and then relax for a bit.
Spend only 30 to 60 seconds on each component of this exercise.
Bring your awareness to your entire body - sense it fully, head to toe.
Run your hands down over your torso. Feel the solidity of it.
Now bring your awareness to your feet. Again, feel them. Move them a bit. Then bring your awareness to your hands. Open and close them.
Bring your awareness to your face - all of it. Touch it with your hand.
Now point your index finger to where "insert name" is located.[/quote]

Touch the exact location of "insert name".
Answer these questions:

Were you able to find and feel "insert name" in a direct way like the other parts of your body?

No

Where is it?

It cannot be found

What did you find? Something? Anything? Nothing?

Nothing

What sensations did you feel in your body that identified "insert name” (If any)?

Bodily sensations are bodily sensations. There has been a labeling of the thought stream and sensations as Deb or “me,” but it is superimposed and constricting. It is a belief or mental construct that cannot be found in moment-to-moment experience.

Tell me what you experienced and found, by way of direct experience.

I experienced many sensations, such as tingling and pressure. I experienced thoughts. Thoughts and sensations, that is all.

[Elad]

Find “me” in the body

Find a comfortable place to sit or lie.
Take in a few deep breaths to settle the dust and then relax for a bit.
Spend only 30 to 60 seconds on each component of this exercise.
Bring your awareness to your entire body - sense it fully, head to toe.
Run your hands down over your torso. Feel the solidity of it.
Now bring your awareness to your feet. Again, feel them. Move them a bit. Then bring your awareness to your hands. Open and close them.
Bring your awareness to your face - all of it. Touch it with your hand.
Now point your index finger to where "insert name" is located.

Touch the exact location of "insert name".
Answer these questions:

Were you able to find and feel "insert name" in a direct way like the other parts of your body?

No

Where is it?

It cannot be found

What did you find? Something? Anything? Nothing?

Nothing

What sensations did you feel in your body that identified "insert name” (If any)?

Bodily sensations are bodily sensations. There has been a labeling of the thought stream and sensations as Deb or “me,” but it is superimposed and constricting. It is a belief or mental construct that cannot be found in moment-to-moment experience.

Tell me what you experienced and found, by way of direct experience.

I experienced many sensations, such as tingling and pressure. I experienced thoughts. Thoughts and sensations, that is all.
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Very clear. After working with the tightening in saying there is no self (you can repeat the sentence to re-evoke it) do the following exercise. But give whole-hearted attention to the tightening phenomenon first. It's important.


Hand on desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.
Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes. Now 'go to' the feeling/sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – sensation?

2) Can a ‘feeler’ be found in 'what is being felt'?

3) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

4) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'? What do you find?

Can an INHERENT FEELER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the feeler, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

[DebbieGinnie]

2) Inquire into the tightening: Is it a self or just a sensation? Does it in any direct way say that something is wrong and it needs to be changed, or can it just be lovingly let be? What feels best?

“No self can be found”

This is hard!
Feeling so jittery and irritable and restless
Clenching sensation in the lower abdomen
Wanting to flee
Resistance is here.

Sensations rising from the lower abdomen to the diaphragm
Images of vomiting to expel the sensation

“No self can be found”

Feeling behind the eyes like getting ready to cry

“What are you trying to tell me?”

Pressure behind the sternum
Ball of turbulence in the lower abdomen
Swirling in the head

“What do you want to protect?”

Left calf throbbing
It hurts to feel inside the body

A vague memory arises of having severe abdomen pain as a little girl and my parents being worried enough to take me to the emergency room. Nothing was found. Did the little girl just want to be held?

Just stories

The abdomen pains came back at a later time. The little girl who secretly played in her room when she was supposed to be taking a nap asked God to take the pain away. In return, she would take her naps like she was supposed to. The pain went away but returned with a vengeance when the next naptime came and the promise was not kept.

The last scene of this story

Little girl crying in distress. The pain is back and the little girl knows why. Father enters the room to find out what’s wrong. The confession about not taking naps is made. Father is surprised at this, “You haven’t been taking your naps?” The final memory is, “Well, you shouldn't make deals with God like that.”

Sadness. Sadness. Just stories.

All is welcome.

Feeling headachey and nauseous.

Taking a break to walk outside with Jessie 🐕
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I would like to thank you sincerely for all the time you have given me, Elad.

[Elad]

2) Inquire into the tightening: Is it a self or just a sensation? Does it in any direct way say that something is wrong and it needs to be changed, or can it just be lovingly let be? What feels best?

“No self can be found”

This is hard!
Feeling so jittery and irritable and restless
Clenching sensation in the lower abdomen
Wanting to flee
Resistance is here.

Sensations rising from the lower abdomen to the diaphragm
Images of vomiting to expel the sensation

“No self can be found”

Feeling behind the eyes like getting ready to cry

“What are you trying to tell me?”

Pressure behind the sternum
Ball of turbulence in the lower abdomen
Swirling in the head

“What do you want to protect?”

Left calf throbbing
It hurts to feel inside the body

A vague memory arises of having severe abdomen pain as a little girl and my parents being worried enough to take me to the emergency room. Nothing was found. Did the little girl just want to be held?

Just stories

The abdomen pains came back at a later time. The little girl who secretly played in her room when she was supposed to be taking a nap asked God to take the pain away. In return, she would take her naps like she was supposed to. The pain went away but returned with a vengeance when the next naptime came and the promise was not kept.

The last scene of this story

Little girl crying in distress. The pain is back and the little girl knows why. Father enters the room to find out what’s wrong. The confession about not taking naps is made. Father is surprised at this, “You haven’t been taking your naps?” The final memory is, “Well, you shouldn't make deals with God like that.”

Sadness. Sadness. Just stories.

All is welcome.

Feeling headachey and nauseous.

Taking a break to walk outside with Jessie 🐕
~~~~~~
I would like to thank you sincerely for all the time you have given me, Elad.

Very beautiful!!! It's a pleasure and inspiring to work with you. Beside the next exercise I gave you, just let things continue, repeat the sentence (there is no self, no doer, never was) and lovingly embrace the reactions/memories/feelings etc. that come up naturally without effort or choice, to be loved and released. If your intuition takes you to letting go of even these pointers and just relaxing with what is/life, then do that. And write me tomorrow how things are.

[DebbieGinnie]

Hand on desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.
Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes. Now 'go to' the feeling/sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – sensation?

One thing: Sensation

2) Can a ‘feeler’ be found in 'what is being felt'?

There is only feeling: Throbbing pulsating LIFE

3) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

This is likely a conceptual overlay but there seems to be to be an interaction of energies at the meeting point. At the most pared-down level, there is just sensation.

4) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'? What do you find?

I am hung up on the hand sensation. I know it's simply sensing, but letting the body part drop seems difficult at the moment.

Can an INHERENT FEELER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the feeler, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

The feeler is only a thought.

[DebbieGinnie]

Hand on desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.
Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes. Now 'go to' the feeling/sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – sensation?

One thing: Sensation

2) Can a ‘feeler’ be found in 'what is being felt'?

There is only feeling: Throbbing pulsating LIFE

3) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

This is likely a conceptual overlay but there seems to be to be an interaction of energies at the meeting point. At the most pared-down level, there is just sensation.

4) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'? What do you find?

I am hung up on the hand sensation. I know it's simply sensing, but letting the body part drop seems difficult at the moment.

Can an INHERENT FEELER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the feeler, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

The feeler is only a thought.

[DebbieGinnie]

Hand on desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.
Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes. Now 'go to' the feeling/sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – sensation?

One thing: Sensation

2) Can a ‘feeler’ be found in 'what is being felt'?

There is only feeling: Throbbing pulsating LIFE

3) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

This is likely a conceptual overlay but there seems to be to be an interaction of energies at the meeting point. At the most pared-down level, there is just sensation.

4) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'? What do you find?

I am hung up on the hand sensation. I know it's simply sensing, but letting the body part drop seems difficult at the moment.

Can an INHERENT FEELER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the feeler, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

The feeler is only a thought.

[DebbieGinnie]

Hand on desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.
Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes. Now 'go to' the feeling/sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – sensation?

One thing: Sensation

2) Can a ‘feeler’ be found in 'what is being felt'?

There is only feeling: Throbbing pulsating LIFE

3) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

This is likely a conceptual overlay but there seems to be to be an interaction of energies at the meeting point. At the most pared-down level, there is just sensation.

4) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'? What do you find?

I am hung up on the hand sensation. I know it's simply sensing, but letting the body part drop seems difficult at the moment.

Can an INHERENT FEELER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the feeler, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

The feeler is only a thought.

[DebbieGinnie]

Hand on desk

Please close your eyes for this exercise, just notice any ‘mental’ images or thoughts that appear and put them aside.
Place a hand on a desk or table (flat surface) - Close your eyes. Now 'go to' the feeling/sensation which we would normally refer to as 'hand on desk' and answer from what you can FIND.

1) How many things do you find? Are there two things (hand and desk) or is there one thing – sensation?

One thing: Sensation

2) Can a ‘feeler’ be found in 'what is being felt'?

There is only feeling: Throbbing pulsating LIFE

3) Do you notice 'one thing feeling another thing'? Or is there just 'a sensation'?

This is likely a conceptual overlay but there seems to be to be an interaction of energies at the meeting point. At the most pared-down level, there is just sensation.

4) Do you find an 'I', a body, a hand 'feeling' . . . or is there just 'a sensation'? What do you find?

I am hung up on the hand sensation. I know it's simply sensing, but letting the body part drop seems difficult at the moment.

Can an INHERENT FEELER be found? Would anything that is suggested as the feeler, be anything other than a concept/idea/thought?

The feeler is only a thought.

[DebbieGinnie]

Sorry about the repetition! There was a delay in the response to the submit button, while I kept tapping.🙄
A lesson in patience?

[Elad]

Sorry about the repetition! There was a delay in the response to the submit button, while I kept tapping.🙄
A lesson in patience?

Yes in patience or in no controller, you choose :)

"I am hung up on the hand sensation. I know it's simply sensing, but letting the body part drop seems difficult at the moment"

Good honestly. Keep looking into that. We want not just "knowing", but direct experience. Be patient and also accept that it will be seen when it will be seen - with no controller of timing ;)

[DebbieGinnie]

Having some difficulty staying with sensations since that last session Sunday. Will try again in a focused way before bed and at bedtime tonight. More of a rest day, I guess. Doing pretty well abstaining from my video habit. It's getting easier, though I do miss listening when I am doing chores I am not in the mood to do!

[Elad]

Having some difficulty staying with sensations since that last session Sunday. Will try again in a focused way before bed and at bedtime tonight. More of a rest day, I guess. Doing pretty well abstaining from my video habit. It's getting easier, though I do miss listening when I am doing chores I am not in the mood to do!

So leave the "hand on table" for a bit if doesn't click tonight. It's helpful when you experience it, but not necessary to see through the separate self. It just need to be clear that nothing, not even supposed separations and parts, are a self.

So tomorrow if not before continue to these exercises:


Time & Memory Time Exercise

There is a general assumption that there is linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time, or an event that is moving forward on a linear line, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?

Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?

Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began? How long does the ‘now’ last?

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?




Sense of “Self/Me/I” Find “me” in the body


Find a comfortable place to sit or lie.
Take in a few deep breaths to settle the dust and then relax for a bit.
Spend only 30 to 60 seconds on each component of this exercise.

Bring your awareness to your entire body - sense it fully, head to toe.
Run your hands down over your torso. Feel the solidity of it.

Now bring your awareness to your feet. Again, feel them. Move them a bit. Then bring your awareness to your hands. Open and close them. Bring your awareness to your face - all of it. Touch it with your hand.

Now point your index finger to where "insert name" is located. Touch the exact location of "insert name".

Answer these questions:

Were you able to find and feel "insert name" in a direct way like the other parts of your body?

Where is it?

What did you find? Something? Anything? Nothing?

What sensations did you feel in your body that identified "insert name” (If any). Tell me what you experienced and found, by way of direct experience.

[DebbieGinnie]

is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?

No. In experience, it's always just “now.”

Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?

No.

Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?

No.

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

It's always the present moment.

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began? How long does the ‘now’ last?

It's always this moment. The now is just the now. To talk about “lasting” puts us in the realm of thought.

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

It’s always just now.

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?

In thoughts/imagination

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

Only in thought

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

Time is conceptual. Time cannot be found in experience.