Re: In time and out of it.
Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:16 pm
That is very clear Janine đ
Seeing when we are identifying with thought is fundamental to seeing through the illusion of "me"
Being acutely aware of the phenomenon of identifying with thought is the key. Identifying here means believing it to be true. Or identification with thought is believing what we are thinking (could we say the proxy of reality and a very poor one at a that) is the reality of the moment.
Once we have seen through the illusion of the thought of "me" we sometimes have a mistaken expectation that we NEVER get caught again. That is not true. That we get caught less and less is closer to the truth. However noticing WHEN we get caught in the web of thought gives us the break through.
So letâs look at AE (Actual Experience) of THOUGHT at little closer. So that we can be alert to what is happening in experience
Thoughts that appear are ârealâ only as an appearance of thought (AE of thought), but NEVER its âcontentâ (what it is about).
For example,
If you were in a desert, dying of thirst, could you quench your thirst just by thinking about water (thoughts) or would you need to drink ârealâ water?
Letâs say Iâm with you in the desert and offer you two options:
(1) In my left hand there is a piece of paper with the word âwaterâ written on it, and
(2) in my right hand there is a bottle of water.
Which one would you choose to quench your thirst, the label or the water?
Can the label âwaterâ, which is actual experience (AE) of thought, quench your thirst?
Labels are ârealâ as appearing thoughts (like the word âwaterâ on the piece of paper) but its âcontentâ, what the thought is ABOUT (the story ABOUT water) is not ârealâ and is NOT the AE of âcontentâ (âwaterâ).
Can you see this?
Or simply think of standing in the shower with the water cascading over you.
Are you wet?
Being aware of the thought of being wet with water is the AE of thought (doesn't make you wet) The thought of being wet with water is NOT the AE of water.(where you actually end up wet !) The imagining/the story of being wet is CONTENT
Is that clear?
Right now think of a lemon. See it sitting on a cutting board in your kitchen. Now with a sharp knife see yourself cutting it in half. You see the tangy juice starting to run over the cutting board.
Now take one piece of lemon and in your imagination taste it. It is so tart and cutting in its taste.
Close your eyes for a few moments and REALLY IMAGINE the sharpness, the cutting sourness.
Does it create any sensation in your mouth or elsewhere in your body?
Was there a "me" that imagined the imagined lemon?
Did you choose the sensations that were experienced?
If you had never tasted "lemon" before would you have had the same reaction?
Where did the imagined lemon and the reactions you experienced arise from?
Is any of this lemon episode AE?
What of this lemon episode is thought content / story?
If this still is any way confusing please tell me as there are other ways we can come at it.
With love
Alan
Seeing when we are identifying with thought is fundamental to seeing through the illusion of "me"
Being acutely aware of the phenomenon of identifying with thought is the key. Identifying here means believing it to be true. Or identification with thought is believing what we are thinking (could we say the proxy of reality and a very poor one at a that) is the reality of the moment.
Once we have seen through the illusion of the thought of "me" we sometimes have a mistaken expectation that we NEVER get caught again. That is not true. That we get caught less and less is closer to the truth. However noticing WHEN we get caught in the web of thought gives us the break through.
So letâs look at AE (Actual Experience) of THOUGHT at little closer. So that we can be alert to what is happening in experience
Thoughts that appear are ârealâ only as an appearance of thought (AE of thought), but NEVER its âcontentâ (what it is about).
For example,
If you were in a desert, dying of thirst, could you quench your thirst just by thinking about water (thoughts) or would you need to drink ârealâ water?
Letâs say Iâm with you in the desert and offer you two options:
(1) In my left hand there is a piece of paper with the word âwaterâ written on it, and
(2) in my right hand there is a bottle of water.
Which one would you choose to quench your thirst, the label or the water?
Can the label âwaterâ, which is actual experience (AE) of thought, quench your thirst?
Labels are ârealâ as appearing thoughts (like the word âwaterâ on the piece of paper) but its âcontentâ, what the thought is ABOUT (the story ABOUT water) is not ârealâ and is NOT the AE of âcontentâ (âwaterâ).
Can you see this?
Or simply think of standing in the shower with the water cascading over you.
Are you wet?
Being aware of the thought of being wet with water is the AE of thought (doesn't make you wet) The thought of being wet with water is NOT the AE of water.(where you actually end up wet !) The imagining/the story of being wet is CONTENT
Is that clear?
Right now think of a lemon. See it sitting on a cutting board in your kitchen. Now with a sharp knife see yourself cutting it in half. You see the tangy juice starting to run over the cutting board.
Now take one piece of lemon and in your imagination taste it. It is so tart and cutting in its taste.
Close your eyes for a few moments and REALLY IMAGINE the sharpness, the cutting sourness.
Does it create any sensation in your mouth or elsewhere in your body?
Was there a "me" that imagined the imagined lemon?
Did you choose the sensations that were experienced?
If you had never tasted "lemon" before would you have had the same reaction?
Where did the imagined lemon and the reactions you experienced arise from?
Is any of this lemon episode AE?
What of this lemon episode is thought content / story?
If this still is any way confusing please tell me as there are other ways we can come at it.
With love
Alan