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Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 8:50 pm
by Lubo
Do you feel power and/or Love?
What abot fear?

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:32 pm
by Bill2
Yes. Power and Love, Peace and Happiness. No Fear.

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Fri Dec 08, 2023 8:52 am
by Lubo
Hi Bill,
Thank you.

Here are the final questions.
They will help other guides to check if I am missing something.
Answer only at your DE.
For example the question: "How the illusion of separate "me" appear - answer what is going on right now, but not from the story about childhood."

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

6) Anything to add?


Much love,
Lubo

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 12:32 am
by Bill2
How do I find my saved draft?

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Sat Dec 09, 2023 9:37 am
by Lubo
How do I find my saved draft?
1.Open "REPLY" window
2. On the bottom of the window there are buttons including "Load draft" - click it
3. Click is and then under the window will appear tiny "window" - click on the first text: "Slow Progress"

and the draft text will appear in the reply window.

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Sun Dec 10, 2023 4:06 pm
by Bill2
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

There is no separate entity at all, anywhere and there has never been.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

We think that we are a self contained entity who is in control and makes all their own decisions. This starts shortly after we are born and our parents and society enforce their own ideas of a separate self upon us. My parents and school told me what was expected of me and what a male should be in our society. Deviation was scorned and punished. I see that most of us are deluded into believing this. It is now obvious to me that the separate "I" cannot be found.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

A feeling of freedom and spaciousness where being is, nothing to do. Just watch and see what happens and accept and enjoy all things. Before the dialogue thoughts would control me and I would worry about what to do next and what might happen in future. I was fighting for control. There was seldom calmness. The past few days there has been a definite shift. Now I see that there is no control. Things just happen but no harm can come because there is no me. There is peace in just being.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Realizing that "I" am just energy which brought on a feeling of peace and freedom.

5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.

When you think you have a choice and agonize over which way to go. I was afraid to volunteer as a tax counselor until I realized there was nothing to fear and I could help others while enjoying the interaction. If you eliminate the fears and really look inside you see there is no choice because it is already made.

Describe intention & give examples from experience.

Intention has it's place. We use intention to plan events which are necessary for life-intention is a plan in our brain for the next step. But we must realize that we have no control. Stuff happens. I intended to become a science teacher but I lacked the math background and had to switch to history instead.

Describe free will & give examples from experience.

Free will is an illusion. It implies a separate entity who can choose. If there is free will it can only be possessed by the one non duality. During my career I wanted to become a postmaster in my home town. I received the training and was assigned to various vacancies until they were filled and then applied when my town was vacant. I was never able to accomplish this dream. Someone else was selected.

Describe choice & give examples from experience.

Choice is when we can select or make a decision between two or more possibilities. In order to have choice we must have free will. This morning I chose to awake at 615 AM but when I opened my eyes it was 720.

Describe control & give examples from experience.

To have a directing influence.

The power to direct other or our own behavior or the course of events. In order to have control we must have intention, free will, and choice. I brought my pet dog to the vet to try to save it but to no avail.

What makes things happen? How does it work?

It cannot be known what makes things happen. It seems as if many random actions just come together and we can only observe them.



What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

Responsibility is having an obligation to do something or having control over something or someone. Without the I this is not possible-we can be but not do. At work I felt responsible for my employees' actions because I had control over them in the workplace. Now I see that this was a fantasy.

6) Anything to add? Decision, intention, free will, choice, and control are all irrelevant in reality. ie a universe without separation.

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 10:56 am
by Lubo
Hi dear Bill,
Thenk you for answering the questions.
There are few questions from others guides, please take a look:
"Realizing that "I" am just energy which brought on a feeling of peace and freedom."
Please ask:
I is content of a thought, but "energy?"
"If you eliminate the fears and really look inside you see there is no choice because it is already made".
Check what is that experience which you call "eliminate the fear"? How does happen?
"If there is free will it can only be possessed by the one non duality."
Can you say that with other words, because can't find what you are pointing with that?

Much love,
Lubo

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 2:38 pm
by Bill2
I is content of a thought, but "energy?"

Since the "I" does not exist except as a thought, something animates the body-God, life-force, energy.

Check what is that experience which you call "eliminate the fear"? How does happen?

When there is realization that there is no separate entity and you are part of the everything any fears fall away.

Can you say that with other words, because can't find what you are pointing with that?

We can have no free will without control. We cannot have control without a separate "me" or no self.

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 4:53 pm
by Lubo
Hi there Bill,
Thenk you for the reply.
Here it is one more question:
“Since the "I" does not exist except as a thought, something animates the body-God, life-force, energy.”
Q: what is a “body” in DE? How is it known that the body is animated by “God”, life-force or energy? Is the body a container for energy?
Label body points for something as a shell, but can be found something independent , a shell full of something?

Much love,
Lubo

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Mon Dec 11, 2023 8:44 pm
by Bill2
Hey Lubo,

It can be believed but not known. The body is not the self but it exists not as a container. It just is. Very confusing.

Love
Bill

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:17 am
by Lubo
Nice, Bill,
confusion is something very beautiful.
Self and body are one and the same.
They exist only in thoughts story.
Notice that "me" and "body" refer to one and the same - something to which imagined mind to take care about, right?
Also "me" and "body" refer to something which is real, alive, exist, stabile (for a while in time and space)?

Look around - colours, image, video - right?
And voice behind the scene telling a story about someone and something. but is there something more than this beautiful love-stream video?
Notice the hypnotising story about someone or something (body) which is "real" live?

Notice that the thoughts-voice is known?
Where thoughts are coming from?
"when" thoughts appear?

Much love.
Lubo

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 3:41 pm
by Bill2
Hello Lubo

Notice that "me" and "body" refer to one and the same - something to which imagined mind to take care about, right?
Also "me" and "body" refer to something which is real, alive, exist, stabile (for a while in time and space)?


So is the body real or just imaginary?

And voice behind the scene telling a story about someone and something.

All day the voice is reminding me that I don't exist, don't have control, to stay present and aware. I feel that if I were liberated these things would just be, without having to think about them constantly.

Notice that the thoughts-voice is known?

Yes, very familiar. Thoughts come from I know not where.

"when" thoughts appear?

Constantly to keep me focused on the gate.

Thanks for sticking with me. I know I am slowly progressing.

Bill

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:04 pm
by Lubo
...I know I am slowly progressing.
This is a thought's story.

You are doing grate!
Just look thoughts:
Yes, very familiar. Thoughts come from I know not where.
No, no this is cannot be known, knowing is just a thoughts about . This is SEEN!
Thoughts are coming from nothing.
+ story that they are someone.
Can you see this?
Thoughts - free thoughts - about someone?
Familiar with thoughts = free thoughts are taken for persona ?

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:18 pm
by Bill2
Thoughts are coming from nothing.
+ story that they are someone.
Can you see this?


Yes I am starting to see this.

free thoughts are taken for persona ?

Don't understand-person? personal? Can you rephrase?

Re: Slow Progress

Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:47 pm
by Lubo
Yes,
What is the illusion/story, what free thoughts are taken for?