Natestari

[Elad]

So in relation to all this.....

There is an idea there is free will and that decisions can be made but there isn't really. As you say, it's all just in flow. I have no decision whether to challenge the mind, I just think I do. There is no choice at all. It's just the whole functioning and the stories we put on top.

Regarding the intention.....I see that things can be happening and I'll have an idea to make it happen whilst I'm on my way. So....."I think I'll go to the toilet"..... (whilst I'm half way there unzipping my jeans😂). The thought/intention comes after. Flow is happening by itself.

Exactly! Now we just need to clarify that awareness having intentions and choosing is just an idea imposed on top. There is just flow with ideas on top - and the ideas on top are part of the flow. Is this true?

[Elad]

Lets also attend to this one, to make sure we can't clarify further before final questions:

What makes things happen? How does it work?

[Natestari]

So this last year I've not been restricting my eating.....but noticing I'm putting on weight because there's a belief if I don't go to the gym and eat what I want, I'll put on weight....

This last few weeks I have decided to eat 'apparent' healthier....really determined. Then finding I'm calling the takeaway.....absolutely no choice in that moment - no matter how much 'will power' - just not happening. Apparent decision made, next thing, scrolling 'just eat' and ordering curry.

[Natestari]

Exactly! Now we just need to clarify that awareness having intentions and choosing is just an idea imposed on top. There is just flow with ideas on top - and the ideas on top are part of the flow. Is this true?

Yes this is true.

[Natestari]

I'm laughing here - just eaten a Marks and Spencer low calorie Beef stroganoff - yey!
Followed by going in the cupboard and opening the Percy Pig sweets.....had 3. I'm not sure where you are from Elad or if you know what they are - they are very nice :-)))). Alos high in apparent calories thus negating low calorie illusiory meal 👍

[Elad]

😁 we don't have those. I'm in Israel, how about you? Remember the question about "how does it work".

[Elad]

Lets also attend to this one, to make sure we can't clarify further before final questions:

What makes things happen? How does it work?

☝️

[Natestari]

I'm in Manchester UK.

Re the question - "what makes things happen and how does it work?"

The whole thing, oneness is the doer......and the 'little I', I think I am is experiencing an aspect of the whole thinking it is doing it......a fragment of the whole....waking up to the truth that it is not a separate self at all. So God/consciousness is doing it all, and I am just experiencing what it feels like to think I am separate.

[Elad]

I'm in Manchester UK.

Re the question - "what makes things happen and how does it work?"

The whole thing, oneness is the doer......and the 'little I', I think I am is experiencing an aspect of the whole thinking it is doing it......a fragment of the whole....waking up to the truth that it is not a separate self at all. So God/consciousness is doing it all, and I am just experiencing what it feels like to think I am separate.

Good we are getting there. Now:

Is there actually"a little" I that is experiencing anything? Can a thought experience anything??? Or is that just a story/a thought. In fact "I" is just a label, it has no existence except as thought and label. Do you see the difference? Do you see if this is true?

Is there actually "a God/Awareness/doer" (subject/cause) that is "doing" (verb) "it all" (object/effect)? Or are all these also only labels and all that is there is the flow/experience, no experiencer at all? Again, do you see the difference and what is true in direct experience, before stories?

[Natestari]

Hi Elad,

So no there isn't a little I experiencing - it's the whole thing experiencing itself and expanding in its awareness. A thought can't experience anything, it is just overlaying the current experience. It's a label.

I see the difference and I see it as true.

[Natestari]

So God is a belief system....it's not doing anything. - it just is. It is an overall effect of flow and experience.

Natalie is a part of the whole thing experiencing itself.

[Elad]

So God is a belief system....it's not doing anything. - it just is. It is an overall effect of flow and experience.

Natalie is a part of the whole thing experiencing itself.

Right, Natalie and Elad are just a labels for practical communication purposes. They do not point to something that exist in any stable or solid way, also not as "parts". If this is not clear, let me know what is not clear 🙏

If it is clear, please answer the final questions, please answer each one separate, with your answer starting after the word "ANSWER" and also make some space after each of your answers so it's easy to see that the next question is starting. Please answer all questions in one post. This for the clarity for the other guides. Thank you.

[Elad]

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

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2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

ANSWER:



3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before we started this dialogue? Please report from the past couple of days.

ANSWER:



4) What was the last bit that pushed you over; made you look?

ANSWER:



5) Describe decision, intention, free will, choice and control.

ANSWER:



6) What makes things happen? How does it work?

ANSWER:



7) What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.

ANSWER:



6) Anything to add?

ANSWER:

[Elad]

Also when you use this form I just sent you, please remove the quote coding in the begining and end so it's all white. Please before sending press "Preview" and check that its easy to read and not confusing in terms of layout.

[Elad]

Last message for now feel free to take time with this so you can enjoy it as an opportunity to express the seeing with most clarity 🙏