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Re: Resting in being
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 6:06 am
by Windaway
Now remember a time when you felt excited. Weekday are those body Sensations?
I guess you wanted to write: What are those Sensations?
I feel a smile. I also feel the space surrounding me, like if my body was expanding into a vast space. Tigling into my belly.
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:41 am
by Anastacia42
Yes. I'm typing on my phone with the eye that had surgery closed as much as possible.
So, usually they are both noticed as tension, holding the breath or rapid breathing. faster heartbeat, etc.
They are very similar. Were yours similar?
The only difference is the label & the story.
Loving,
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Fri Sep 29, 2023 10:51 pm
by Windaway
So, usually they are both noticed as tension, holding the breath or rapid breathing. faster heartbeat, etc.
They are very similar. Were yours similar?
Excitement and fear are felt in a different way in my sensation.
But I can see that sensations don't have story or label. Story and label is added after ward.
Those day I'm very busy but I'm planning to continu the medation you send me.
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 6:34 am
by Windaway
I am moving to another country today. I will be very buzy. I will write tomorrow.
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2023 10:05 am
by Anastacia42
Totally understandable.
When you can.
Much love,
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 5:43 am
by Windaway
During my move to another country, I was very attentive to observe my experience. Every time I had thoughts like:
I'm changing countries
I'm relocating
I'm moving
Everything will change and be different.
I could see clearly how these thoughts emerged in my experience, giving it a temporal quality of the past and the future. Producing this interpretation of movement on an imaginary timeline. However, every moment I controlled my direct experience, I could always affirm that I was still inevitably in the now.
This was the same for spatial movement. There are cars, buses, planes, suitcases, etc.... but I am always here. My experience is always within me. I never move. Wherever I am and whatever I do, I am only in contact with my experience. The "here" simply means I am experiencing something or the experience is present.
Yesterday, I listened to the meditation "Where is I." This was able to confirm my experience described above. However, I made a new discovery. Thoughts contain a specific location if you observe them closely. Thoughts about the future are more to the right, thoughts about the past are more to the left, thoughts about myself are more towards the back, etc...
I was able to play with moving thoughts around. It alters the experiential quality of them.
Very amusing.
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 10:37 am
by Anastacia42
Fun stuff isn't it?
Try this:
Time Exercise
There is a general assumption that there is linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time, or an event that is moving forward on a linear line, coming from the past and advancing to the future.
But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time? Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next? Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?
Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?
How long does the ‘now’ last?
Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?
When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?
What is the ‘past’ in Actual Experience?
So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?
Remember to quote each question and answer one at a time underneath.
Loving,
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:37 pm
by Windaway
But is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time? Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next? Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
No. Everything is appearing now, and only to be fading away.
How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?
This question mix up space with time. The present is not a moment in time. The present is that within which time appear. To be poetic the present moment is eternity.
Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?
Using terminology such as beginning or ending make no sense when talking about “this moment”.
How long does the ‘now’ last?
Again, “last” implies a beginning and ending. But such cannot be found. This moment simply is.
Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?
Another way to answer can be now start here, last here, and end here.
Just as here is not a place in space. Now is not a moment in time.
When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?
Now doesn’t change into anything.
But for the pleasure of answering. I could say that the now become past at the moment any thought appear. Past is how the “now” look like through the lens of thoughts.
What is the ‘past’ in Actual Experience?
A thought
So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?
There is only thoughts about time.
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Wed Oct 04, 2023 1:56 pm
by Anastacia42
All good.
Can you say 100% that there is no separate self?
Loving,
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:00 am
by Windaway
Yes, there is no separate self.
I realize that what is difficult for me is not to understand/feel/see that there is no separate me but it is to not get distracted by the avalanche of doubt and questioning that this evidence causes in my system. It's doubt I am struggling with.
Can you comment on this phenomenon?
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 6:31 am
by Windaway
I can see that there still is believe that my experience should be different if I see no separate self. Because the biggest doubt /conflict is that my human experience is not "perfect". I still have addiction, fear, conflict etc....
The believe that if I had really discover my true nature. My human life should correspond to some imaginary ideal.
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Fri Oct 06, 2023 1:51 pm
by Anastacia42
"Belief" is the noun. Not "believe."
The believe that if I had really discover my true nature. My human life should correspond to some imaginary ideal.
That is an unrealistic expectation. That is why we all have all those caveats and explanations that you have to read before we start.
Once you see that there is no self then the work on all of those other things can actually begin. That is a separate thing.
What about control? Are you in control of anything here?
Loving,
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 9:34 pm
by Windaway
What about control? Are you in control of anything here?
No one has control. The feeling of control is an aftereffect. Experience arises, thoughts project an impression of control onto it.
Just as they project/produce an impression of myself. Of being at the center of...
Of being the one to whom this is happening.
Of being an individual.
But this is a product of thoughts. None of it is findable when examined closely.
Experience is simply in the moment. It arises with a sense of location and a sense of individuality. But neither one is real. Thoughts will never accept this and will always produce these erroneous, but very useful, interpretations of an individual self.
I know 100% that there is no separate individual. I clearly see that I am in the process of aligning my experience with my nature. I know, see, and understand my nature directly.
I came to this forum to find what I already knew. I realize that I am not seeking my true nature but rather aligning my experience with my nature. That my experience reflects the intrinsic qualities of my nature.
I am not seeking who I am.
I am not confused about who I am.
Now, my question is how to uproot false beliefs and dissolve emotions as effectively as possible. Simply because this is what is inevitable.
Once you see that there is no self then the work on all of those other things can actually begin. That is a separate thing.
I see that I am here for the other things. I know there is no self for long time.
How can I deepening this unterstanding forever and more into my experience now?
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:10 pm
by Anastacia42
Ah.
There's a group called "Fetter-Free" on Facebook. Some are using that model.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetter_(Buddhism)
I used/ use The Work of Byron Katie.
www.thework.com
Loving,
Re: Resting in being
Posted: Sat Oct 07, 2023 10:11 pm
by Anastacia42
I would have to invite you to the group on Facebook. They meet on teleconferences regularly.