The Gate

Meeting with Ilona. You're invited.

Sunday, October 9 at 7 to 9 pm Mauritius Time, UTC +4
On Zoom

Here is an invitation to meet on Zoom and be together.
Whatever you bring - a question, an emotion, or tension is welcome. There is something very powerful about having a welcoming space in a group where you can explore safely and feel supported.

You are very welcome to join, just email me for a link on admin@ilonaciunaite.com. Same link for all meetings.

See you there! ❤️
Ilona

Hi Stacy,

Can it be known how tall the body is? Does the body have a weight or volume? In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

It cannot, be know. Seems like the body has no boundaries, that there is no body at all.

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing? Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

There is nothing but sensation and space, so it feels, for this period of time when the mind is not involved and only sensations are active. Seems like these sensations are merged in space, that they are space.

Is there an inside or an outside? If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly? If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

There are no boundaries at all, just pure airy sensual space.

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to? What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

I am not sure. In this specific experience nothing but a thought, maybe, a reference point with no actual reality as when there is no thought and only sensation there is nothing to place sensations on. It does not seem logical but this is how it feels...

Thank you
Adi

Yes, that's it. You've got it.

How does it FEEL to see this?

Loving,

How does it FEEL to see this?

It feels good, it feels very free.
Thanks
Adi

Hi Adi,

Can you say that you find no separate self anywhere? (You have said so many times in responses)

Has seeking stopped?

Loving,
Stacy

Hi Stacy,

Can you say that you find no separate self anywhere? (You have said so many times in responses)

For moments. Yes. It doesn’t stay, though. I still identify with/as Adi.

Has seeking stopped?

I can’t say I’m “seeking” I’m more letting things be (I’d like to think) but I definitely still own a personal ego. I wish I could say otherwise.

Thank you
Adi

Hi Stacy,

Can you say that you find no separate self anywhere? (You have said so many times in responses)

For moments. Yes. It doesn’t stay, though. I still identify with/as Adi.

Has seeking stopped?

I can’t say I’m “seeking” I’m more letting things be (I’d like to think) but I definitely still own a personal ego. I wish I could say otherwise.

Thank you
Adi

Hi Stacy,

Can you say that you find no separate self anywhere? (You have said so many times in responses)

For moments. Yes. It doesn’t stay, though. I still identify with/as Adi.

Has seeking stopped?

I can’t say I’m “seeking” I’m more letting things be (I’d like to think) but I definitely still own a personal ego. I wish I could say otherwise.

Thank you
Adi

Hi Adi

That is an unrealistic expectation. It doesn't work that way.

Please watch these:

Watch this, please:

https://youtu.be/vJQcD588g2w

and

https://youtu.be/PUDzrCLlrj4

Loving,

~ Stacy

Hi Stacy,

That is an unrealistic expectation. It doesn't work that way.

What doesn't work that way?

Thanks for the videos. Is it you in the second one by any chance?
What do you suggest, that I do inquiry?

Thank you
Adi

What doesn't work that way?

You will not be in Awareness all the time. I don't think anyone ever is 100%. It may take years of unraveling untrue thinking to even get close to most of the time.

Thanks for the videos. Is it you in the second one by any chance?

No, but these are:

https://youtu.be/nnT8WACJy4U

https://youtu.be/Gg4Zy8DjH4k

What do you suggest, that I do inquiry?

The Work of Byron Katie? Sure, if you have stressful thoughts or untrue beliefs.

Loving,

Thanks
I thought I could rid of personal identification for good. To realise and not just during clarity. I thought truth could remove illusionary existence or the personal self.
I didn’t want to get rid of thought, just not to believe it.
Anyway, I will keep practicing with the dropbox.
I asked about inquiry because Ilona talked about it in the video you’ve sent me.
Thank you
Adi

Hi,

Yes, got it. We do use The Work of Byron Katie as one of our methods of inquiry. Look at www.thework.com where you'll find everything you need for that type if inquiry. There are other inquiry methods, but that's the one I use.

Yes, only during clarity you SEE. Every time you believe an untrue thought, you seem to lose it. But is it really gone? Don't you still know that there is no self?

I thought truth could remove illusionary existence or the personal self.

Not exactly. And it is useful for getting around in consensus reality.

I didn’t want to get rid of thought, just not to believe it.

When you learned that there was no Santa Claus, did you have to keep reminding yourself? Or did you just know it from then on?

This is like that. Do you need to keep checking to see if the man in a red suit is really just a man? Or do you always know that there is no "self," even if "self" thoughts arise?

Loving,

But is it really gone? Don't you still know that there is no self?

I don't know, I still believe there is no self with my mind, I did not see for sure that there is no self. It is not enough for me to stop identifying with my personal self or to get angry/offended on the tube, when someone is pushing me.

Do you need to keep checking to see if the man in a red suit is really just a man? Or do you always know that there is no "self," even if "self" thoughts arise?

I didn't grow up on Santa or anything equivalent (Jewish), never had a belief in something like that. I do not KNOW yet, I believe you when you say there is no self, but I cannot say I am there myself, it's only my belief. I still do exactly what will serve ME and my ego, even if it does not exist because to me I exists, there is nothing strong enough to tell me otherwise.

That's why I asked for a Realisation, to actually realise it myself, to experience something/s that will burn all doubts down. I know Non-dual literature very well, so it's easy for my mind, but maybe that's why it's so hard without this barrier that is the mind. I am not sure myself obviously.

Thank you
Adi

Yes. you have to SEE it, not just think it.

What is the last thing you practiced?

What, exactly, did you feel or see?

Loving,