I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:05 pm

Hi Stacy,
The only problem is that you're believing the made-up content of your thoughts & failing to LOOK as directed in Colored Socks?
Yes, it's true. I'm a mental person that lives a lot in thoughts! I have to practice a lot to SEE things directly without mental assumptions. Yesterday, I finished reading a text from Christiane Michelberger with examples and solutions and I was impressed how I used assumptions to describe an image of a simple cup filled with a latte. I'm starting to read the gateless gatecrashers now.
The guidance is LOOK & LOOK DEEPER. Use your eyes.
Today I did an exercise with a toast and 2 different jams to choose. The moment I picked up the 2 jars from the fridge I immediately saw a thought arising pointing to my preferable jam! I opened both jars on the table and very naturally I picked up the knife and spread the less likable jam on the toast! Why? Because it was the jar closer at hand! This time I tried to be faster in action to avoid contemplation/believing on my thoughts and I was surprised with the result!

Tomorrow I have to do more exercises like the one with 2 drinks and look deeper at the 3 questions.

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Thu Aug 25, 2022 10:06 pm

Hi Stacy,
The only problem is that you're believing the made-up content of your thoughts & failing to LOOK as directed in Colored Socks?
Yes, it's true. I'm a mental person that lives a lot in thoughts! I have to practice a lot to SEE things directly without mental assumptions. Yesterday, I finished reading a text from Christiane Michelberger with examples and solutions and I was impressed how I used assumptions to describe an image of a simple cup filled with a latte. I'm starting to read the gateless gatecrashers now.
The guidance is LOOK & LOOK DEEPER. Use your eyes.
Today I did an exercise with a toast and 2 different jams to choose. The moment I picked up the 2 jars from the fridge I immediately saw a thought arising pointing to my preferable jam! I opened both jars on the table and very naturally I picked up the knife and spread the less likable jam on the toast! Why? Because it was the jar closer at hand! This time I tried to be faster in action to avoid contemplation/believing on my thoughts and I was surprised with the result!

Tomorrow I have to do more exercises like the one with 2 drinks and look deeper at the 3 questions.

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Atmajnani

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby Anastacia42 » Fri Aug 26, 2022 1:35 am

Sounds good.

Just relax & watch what's happening. Be the observer.

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Stacy
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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:17 pm

Hi,

You agreed to post daily, but there's no post since Thursday. What's up?

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Stacy
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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:44 pm

Hi Stacy,

My apologies, there are a lot of things happening that have kept me busy these last couple of days.

I have been visiting apartments and I have a job interview tomorrow morning!
I couldn't find any apartment that fit my criteria of price, location and sq meters.
I will postpone the buying until a good opportunity comes my way.

The job interview was kind of an instant manifestation! I replied to a job add (first in many months) and the following day I received a phone call to book an interview!

'I' definitely had no control or responsibility over the events! If it flows, I will go with the flow.
If they choose me for this job, I will have plenty of opportunities to test my reactivity under stress...lol

Let's continue with more exercises or are there questions from previous posts yet to reply?

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Sun Aug 28, 2022 10:51 pm

Hi again,

Now I remember I have to repeat the exercise of the 2 drinks and reply to the 3 questions.
Tomorrow I will do that! Now is quite late here.

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby Anastacia42 » Sun Aug 28, 2022 11:29 pm

Life happens. Good luck with the interview, etc.

Let me know when you're ready.

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Stacy
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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Tue Aug 30, 2022 4:37 pm

Hi Stacy,

I repeated the Drink Exercise today. Here are the answers:
In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

I didn't choose the qualities to compare the drinks, they naturally arose.
I didn't choose the preferred drink either, the preference manifested itself.
In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting?

I didn't choose the sequence of event and didn't shutdown the preferences, it naturally happened that way.
Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

I didn't see any separate 'I' doing the choosing.
In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

No, I didn't see a separate 'chooser'.
Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the 'choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to 'choose’?
No, it can't.

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby Anastacia42 » Tue Aug 30, 2022 6:15 pm

Good.

How does it FEEL to see this?

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:15 am

Hi Stacy,
How does it FEEL to see this?
I started to feel much more relaxed with the important life choices 'I' have to do related with work and housing, early after the hand flipping and the water stream exercises (these 2 had a huge impact in my self-inquiry). The 'Drink Exercise' created a bit of doubt mostly due to the phrasing of questions to look for a 'function of the mind'. I still have a lot of thoughts arising but I 'surrender' more and go with the flow of Life knowing that choices are conditioned by circumstances and that there aren't right or wrong choices. I prefer to phrase it that I couldn't find a separate self taking responsibility for choices/decisions.

Do you have more exercises to present? They are quite helpful for introspection.

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:15 am

Hi Stacy,
How does it FEEL to see this?
I started to feel much more relaxed with the important life choices 'I' have to do related with work and housing, early after the hand flipping and the water stream exercises (these 2 had a huge impact in my self-inquiry). The 'Drink Exercise' created a bit of doubt mostly due to the phrasing of questions to look for a 'function of the mind'. I still have a lot of thoughts arising but I 'surrender' more and go with the flow of Life knowing that choices are conditioned by circumstances and that there aren't right or wrong choices. I prefer to phrase it that I couldn't find a separate self taking responsibility for choices/decisions.

Do you have more exercises to present? They are quite helpful for introspection.

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atmajnani

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 31, 2022 2:03 pm

Hi,
Do you have more exercises to present? They are quite helpful for introspection.
I have lists & books & recordings of pointers I could present.

The question here is whether you can clearly see that there is no "self," no "control," no "free will," no personal "responsibility? "

If so. I will ask you to answer those 6 "final" questions again, so that other guides can also take a look & ask questions if need be. Question 5 is where you were stuck. Then I can send you everything I have & you can go play. I'll be free to take another client here.

What do you say?

Much love,

Stacy
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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby atmajnani » Wed Aug 31, 2022 9:06 pm

Hi Stacy,

I agree with your suggestion.
The question here is whether you can clearly see that there is no "self," no "control," no "free will," no personal "responsibility? "
I can see clearly that there is no separate self that is in control and responsible for choices and decisions.
1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, there isn't and there never was. It's all emptiness.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
What I thought it was 'me' was a mental construct born of all the conditioning I received. With this construct in place, I thought that I was in control and responsible for the decisions and choices in my life. After I saw the emptiness within I lost the motivation to do many things that arose from that mental construct (the ego).
3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
I feel more relaxed and at peace. I don't over rationalize decisions/choices and I'm totally aware that I have no control of life and accept what comes.
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
I had a direct experience of emptiness (no self) without using the LU method that lasted for several weeks/months. Later, with the help of a LU guide, I looked into the exercise of 'Hand flipping' and 'Water running down a hill' and realized that there is no separate self controlling, choosing, deciding or being responsible.
5) Describe decision & give examples from experience.
Decision arises from preferences and life circumstances, not from a separate self. I decided to buy an apartment in town because I sold my previous one in another town where I don't work and live anymore (life circumstances). I searched and visited several apartments but none meet my budget, location and square meters (preferences and life circumstances). Thus, the buy was postponed. There was not a separate self solely responsible for the decision.
Describe intention & give examples from experience.
Intentions arise from preferences and life circumstances, not from a separate self. For instance, I have the intention to create my own job because of my independent nature (preference) and because I was unpleased with my corporate job and quitted (preferences & life circumstances).
Describe free will & give examples from experience.
There is not a separate self with free-will because everything is interconnected and everything happens as a result of the whole. For instance, I can choose to be more social but in truth it will depend of life circumstances, opportunities, etc.
Describe choice & give examples from experience.
Choice arises from preferences and life circumstances, not from a separate self. For instance, the clothes I choose to dress depend of my preferences, availability, weather conditions, and purpose of activity.
Describe control & give examples from experience.
Control refers to the desire of the mind to influence people or the course of events to satisfy its expectations. In truth there is no separate self controlling the events in life. For instance, I can influence a person to go on a trip with me but this person might have an accident just before the trip and all plans need to be changed.
What makes things happen? How does it work?
I don't know. Everything makes things happen. Just happens.
What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
There is no separate self responsible for anything because everything that happens is the result of all circumstances. For instance, I'm not solely responsible for quitting a job because it was a decision that resulted from personal preferences, life circumstances and other people behavior.
6) Anything to add?
No.

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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

Postby Anastacia42 » Wed Aug 31, 2022 11:05 pm

Hi,

Closer, but not yet.
preferences and life circumstances,
Exactly where do you find these "preferences and life circumstances in DIRECT EXPERIENCE?

Loving

Stacy
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Re: I need guidance to release Reactivity once for all

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