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Re: Absolute

Postby Lubo » Wed May 04, 2022 6:08 am

Hi dear Mary,
There are lot of passion in the replays, thank you.

Let's back to the thoughts.
Is there centre, an I to whom thoughts are coming?
Is there a seer?

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Wed May 04, 2022 9:20 am

Hi Lubo,

Yes, leave words alone and go deeper.
Curiosity.
Is there a seer of thoughts - a centre to which thoughts come?
Starting with not already knowing, just looking.
Thank you and much love.

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Wed May 04, 2022 10:01 am

No centre to be found.
Just thoughts milling around in space not really belonging to anyone.
A centre cannot be found, but trying to find one causes pain in the head - like forcing something, like pressure.
Looking for a centre is painful.
Trying to find 'I' is painful.
There is resistance to even looking.
But looking continues.
There is fear of not finding, or of not knowing the answer.

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Wed May 04, 2022 10:05 am

Seer is part of what is seen.
Is 'I' the same as thoughts that 'come'? Is 'I' another thought added on, or an integral part of whatever thought arises?

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Re: Absolute

Postby Lubo » Wed May 04, 2022 2:57 pm

Hi dear Mary,
Looking for a centre is painful.
Trying to find 'I' is painful.
There is resistance to even looking.
But looking continues.
Ooo, I understand. Let it be like a game, play with curiosity.
What we are looking is that there is a life only but not separate I that lives life,
So, here are walking, speaking, shopping, back home-ing... all verbs, OK?
And constant thoughts story connected everything to the imagined centre -, I, me, mine, you, them....
If you change the brain from another head there will be the same voice - and the same comments - This is not good, this is dangerous, this is a shame... :) But is there centre or there are thoughts about life that appear like this body, this reading, this breathing, this eating...?
Who is eating - life or thoughts about an imaginary I?

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Wed May 04, 2022 2:58 pm

This is so helpful, thank you Lubo and much love xx

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Thu May 05, 2022 11:22 am

Looking for 'I' is not finding 'I'.
Noticing that there is movement but no centre to claim it.
This body appears to move spontaneously. No plan. No director.
Thoughts are not 'entities' either. No centre in thoughts. Looking for 'I' and 'thoughts' and 'centre' doesn't find.
Thoughts disappear when looked for.
What is looking? Looking is just a thought that there is looking.

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Thu May 05, 2022 11:40 am

Immediacy
What is looked for - thoughts, centre, 'I' - not here.
What is looking - no-one looking.
All Subject

At the same time, huge reactivity in the character in relation to another character. Expressing privately as suggested.

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Thu May 05, 2022 11:49 am

Not even Subject.
Without object, no Subject either

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Fri May 06, 2022 9:01 am

Hi Lubo,

Is it necessary to investigate trigger points, even when it's known these are all just thoughts appearing to a character? Can they just be let go without 'understanding' them - by just noticing them?

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Re: Absolute

Postby Lubo » Mon May 09, 2022 8:06 am

Wow, Mary,
Wonderful !
Immediacy
What is looked for - thoughts, centre, 'I' - not here.
What is looking - no-one looking.
All Subject
Yes, stay with this. Notice that thoughts are still coming with the story about me, Mary? But there is no centre called Mary :)
Where is the separation?
Is it necessary to investigate trigger points, even when it's known these are all just thoughts appearing to a character?
Mmm, is there a centre called character or thoughts appear as the character?
When the answer is seen look this one:
Can they just be let go without 'understanding' them - by just noticing them?
Whats triggered what? :)


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Re: Absolute

Postby Lubo » Thu May 12, 2022 7:19 am

Hi dear Mary,
How are you?
You can share what is going on.

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Thu May 12, 2022 7:46 am

Hi Lubo,
House moving is going on.
Physically tiring for the body. Busy for the mind but no suffering. Relatively effortless. Gently moving with it.
A sudden, unexpected, surprising, wonderful offer of accommodation from a fellow Liberation Unleashed 'Finder'.
Even the 'me' is part of this, although not doing this. Me is still there me-ing but not centre-stage.
Thoughts are still coming but not sticking or seen as real.
Confidence and joy are building. Fun.
Was there a link this week? I didn't get one so assumed you were having a little holiday!
Much love to you and Luchana,
Mary.

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Re: Absolute

Postby freedom2bno1 » Thu May 12, 2022 8:00 am

Oh I just read your penultimate post!
WHAT'S TRIGGERED WHAT?
A lingering resistance to what is was happening.
The me taking the stage momentarily, believing itself real, in response to another perceived me.
Contraction responds to perceived contraction with contraction.
An aversion arose during the zoom meet.
The thought "I don't believe you" arose.
The judgement "Why play at triggering the me in 'others' to get a reaction?" also came.
All reflections of this me. All the same me - that is just me-ing.

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Re: Absolute

Postby Lubo » Thu May 12, 2022 8:31 am

A sudden, unexpected, surprising, wonderful offer of accommodation from a fellow Liberation Unleashed 'Finder'.
What a wonderful news! I am happy with you :)
Was there a link this week? I didn't get one so assumed you were having a little holiday!
Thanks for the remaining me. I sent a newsletter, thank you!
The me taking the stage momentarily,
This me is you or just a mind battle machine?
look behind this protection what is there?
The judgement "Why play at triggering the me in 'others' to get a reaction?" also came.
Ooo, this voice of shame claims that this is you who is playing & which is triggered - can you see this?
But is this real you who is triggered or this is just this battle machine which protects itself?

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