Clear vision

[Lilpil]

When there is a sensation present, does the body know it?

The body i a sensor and it goes with the other senses like smelling, seeing and hearing, the body is a part of the sensation, It responses to Knowing, sensing, feeling, and experiencing. It is like a measurer.

[Lilpil]

When there is a sensation present, does the body know it?

The body is a sensor along with the other senses as hearing, seeing, smelling, tasting. No it does not know, but it responses to knowing, feeling and experience.And the body is not any of this. It is like a measurer.

[Lilpil]

When there is a sensation present, does the body know it?

The body is a sensor it measures that which is experienced, felt, and known, along with the other senses, hearing, smelling, seeing, tasting. The body does not know, it responses to all of this. It is like a measurer.

[Lilpil]

Is the body aware?
Or the body itself is just ‘aware-ed’?

There is awarnes of the body. Body is not aware.
It is hard to wrap my mind around this sentence. No it is not aware-ed.

[Lilpil]

Just look, is there such thing as a sensation + a body in which it is felt?
Are there two things there? Sensations + a body?

There is one thing here.
There is no body without a sensation, and there is no sensation without a body.

[Lilpil]

Or the body itself is just some sensations?

The body is both what you see and what you sense.

[Vivien]

Hi Lilpil,

Thank you for your replies.

The illusion of the self is not just simply coming from thoughts, but also from the belief that “I am the body” or “I have a body” or that this or that sensation is ‘me’ or the location of the ‘me’, or that this or that sensation is happening to ‘me’. So the thought label ‘this is me’ and the appearing sensations are welded together, creating the seeming ‘sense of self’.

Sit with eyes closed for about 15 minutes.
Paying attention only to the pure sensations, without relying on verbal or visual thoughts:

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

Look very carefully, especially with the last question. Take your time, don’t rush. You can look several times during the day while doing other things (like washing hands, showering, having a short break from work, walking, etc) before replying.

Vivien

[Lilpil]

Can it be known how tall the body is?
Does the body have a weight or volume?
In the actual experience does the body have a shape or a form?

No not without an investigation.
No it is not actual experience.
No it does not, but there is unpleasant sensation, in the tummy that makes body unpleasantly real just around this sensation.
No not having shape or a form.

[Lilpil]

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?

No there is not a boundary it is not felt, that the body is substantive but there is a sensation of clothes some places like : tight. or where the chair touches body, there is like mixed or faded boundary.

[Lilpil]

Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?

There is so much trying, there is an illusion that there is an
"I" in a body, when it is seen, there is no I in the body what is the body for? It has been a place for so long, when I sit her and look, look at the body where there is no I, it is felt for a moment that this life is a dream. But it is not or is it, there are dreams at night when body is at sleep. When there is none, there is no need for an inside or outside this is what is seen. But is making a big big contraction in the body. The contraction is because a thought is believed.There is confusion here.

[Lilpil]

What does the word/label ‘body’ ACTUALLY refer to?
What is the ACTUAL experience of the body?

It is sensations.
Sensations and pains. Sensations of pain.Sensations.

[Vivien]

Hi Lilpil,

No it does not, but there is unpleasant sensation, in the tummy that makes body unpleasantly real just around this sensation.

It’s not that the body is not real. The body is real. It’s just not what we think it is.

What we call body is just a cluster of sensations. Can you see that?

The word ‘body’ is just a label on sensations. ‘Body’ is just another name for sensations. Can you see that?

But it is not or is it, there are dreams at night when body is at sleep. When there is none, there is no need for an inside or outside this is what is seen. But is making a big big contraction in the body. The contraction is because a thought is believed.There is confusion here.

What is this confusion about? What is it that is not clear?

Sensations and pains. Sensations of pain.Sensations.

Isn’t pain just an intense sensation?

So, there are all sorts of sensations. Pleasant ones, neutral ones, unpleasant ones. The name is given to these sensations is ‘body’.

So these sensations are there. Yes. These sensations are real, and they are happening.

But is there someone having these sensations?
Is there someone these sensations happening TO?

Is there someone not liking pain?

Is there a feeler?

Vivien

[Lilpil]

What we call body is just a cluster of sensations. Can you see that?

Yes I can se that there are sensations all over the place in mouth in body, legs, shoulders, eyes, sensation of crossed legs, and more. Some sensations are louder than others. When I pinch myself there is no doubt there is no one being pinched the pain is sensed in body.

[Lilpil]

The word ‘body’ is just a label on sensations. ‘Body’ is just another name for sensations. Can you see that?

Yes I can when I look with eyes closed I can see the body is a sencer, and when eyes are open body is actual and there are body parts, so there is a body both real and unreal.And now both real and unreal is seen at the same time.It is a new experience of the body.

[Lilpil]

What is this confusion about? What is it that is not clear?

The confusion came wen for a moment it was seen that nothing is real.But than it also was seen there is an actual body. Than there was a contraction because thought came: you are newer going to get it !