It's just time to do this

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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:56 pm

Good evening Sue,

I saw something yesterday. Saw that I had understood that thoughts were unreal, fleeting, uncontrollable, and without deeper meaning or reality, and that emotions were the same, but I was giving extra weight, extra reality to the physical sensations of experience. That they must have some reality, because they are input coming through my sense organs.
Beautiful insight.
Yes, no reality based on thoughts.

Real is what is left when we stopped thinking about it.

Do you cleary see this?
Direct experience of the body is... "pain" between the shoulder blades, which is really actually only a strong sensation of... I don't know what to call it. Just sensation. So, stronger sensation between the shoulder blades. Pressure sensation from the butt on the chair and the feet on the floor and the hands and fingers on the desk and keyboard.
Direct experience of "the body" is just a story. I don't know what the sensory input is, exactly, or where it is coming from even. Oh good lord. There is no "body"?? There is no "body." That is so hard to believe and yet... all I am really experiencing is some hard-to-define sensations, that constantly are changing, and cannot be observed to be directly connected to the solid thing I call my body.
You did a very good looking!
Yes, body is just a label, in actuality there are only sensations. There is no experience of a body - there are sensations.

Let's deeg a little bit deeper

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?


Okay, I will head out to do this next, and the piece you wrote after it. Thank you, Luchana
All right. Looking forward :-)
You are most welcome.
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Mon Jan 10, 2022 6:25 pm

Hi again,
Can the character chooses what to feel, what to think, whether go for a walk or not?

Does the character choose this story?

Can it chooses another story, a different one, instead of what already is?

Can the story of Sue be seen as what it is - just a story, including Sue?
The character cannot choose what to feel, what to thing, or what to do. I woke up today from a dream I didn't choose, with feelings that I didn't choose, that changed constantly all day long. I didn't do the things I thought I should do, or thought I wanted to do, or thought would be good for me. I heard words from people and had emotional reactions to those words and none of it was anything I was in any way in control of. Just unfolding, moment after moment.

The story isn't changed by anything Sue thinks or does, though this inquiry seems to create changes, but Sue is not in charge of when she sits down to do it and is not in charge of what happens in the doing of it.

The character of Sue still believes that she can shape the story, even if she can't choose an entirely different story. But the character of Sue can not find anywhere that she is choosing to think thoughts, say words, or take actions. But the belief that there is a "something else" that must be doing those things through her, still has power.

There is no apparent thing separate from anything else, making thoughts appear, words arise, actions unfold. This is both clear and terribly hard to look at, to focus on.
See, the only thing that I can be sure of is what I directly experience with the 5 senses. Everything else requires belief, which is thought. Look, if there is any other way that you can know something as a deep conviction with certainty which does not require thought / belief?
All knowing requires a story. All knowing is... "I" wanted to soft-pedal this and say "incomplete and often wrong" but no. All knowing is fundamentally wrong. Every piece. Because it rests on the original mistake of separation. All knowing is a story with a false foundation. What does that mean to "me", who has built an entire character on and lived an entire life being the one who knows?

All knowing is false. Only sensing what is experienced directly can be known. (And even that quickly spirals into a story and belief.) All knowing is false. Sue can put down the knowing and directly experience what is unfolding, in every moment. Nothing more is needed. Nothing more is real or true. Sue is not real or true. (typing this, feeling a distant sense of its truth, not merged with yet.)
Yes, no reality based on thoughts.

Real is what is left when we stopped thinking about it.

Do you cleary see this?
I see how it must be so. I will attempt to see it as I move through today.
Yes, body is just a label, in actuality there are only sensations. There is no experience of a body - there are sensations.

Let's deeg a little bit deeper

Is there a boundary between the body and the clothing?
Is there a boundary between the body and the chair?
Is there an inside or an outside?
If there is an inside - the inside of what exactly?
If there is an outside - the outside of what exactly?
Is there a boundary between body and clothing? In direct perception? No, there is a field of awareness and sensation in which both are, and co-create. Oh. no. they are not separate from each other or anything else, so they can't co-create anything. Creations requires a creator and a created. There is no boundary between body and clothing in direct perception and there is no boundary between body and clothing and rest of what appears because... none can be found. All is one experience with nothing beyond it to contain or define the experiencing.

I misread your next question and asked myself if there was a boundary between my body and my hair. Like clothing, there is no boundary between the body and the hair (a change in sensory input, yes, but not what thinking mind means by boundary.)

Is there a boundary between the body and the chair? Like the hair, there's a change in sensory input which thoughts wants to make into "proof". A change in sensory input happens within the body, and outside of it. It does not equal or mean boundary or separation. There is no clear boundary between the body and the chair. Body and chair are experienced right now as one unfolding.

Is there an inside or an outside? Suddenly I wanted to laugh at this question because it landed as absurd. How could there be an inside separate from an outside? What does that even mean? I don't know if there's such a thing as a three-dimensional mobius strip but all that can be experienced is feeling that way. No, I don't know how there could be an inside and an outside, from a what-is-perceived perspective. Only in a thought or belief system.


The inside of what exactly?
Yes, this is what seems so silly! Is there an inside of me and an outside of me? How on earth did I ever get that idea?? I can't feel my insides (unless nerve cells have a reason to be firing) anymore than I can feel the outsides that are beyond range of my nerve cells. I have no proof that insides are separate from outsides and what would they be "inside of" then? What would the "outsides" be inside of then? There's a endless set of thoughts like Russian nesting dolls and no end to the inside and outside story.

Okay, I will watch to see what I notice today.

Thank you Luchana,
With much gratitude and love,
Sue
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 am

Hi Sue,

you did a very good looking!
The character of Sue still believes that she can shape the story, even if she can't choose an entirely different story. But the character of Sue can not find anywhere that she is choosing to think thoughts, say words, or take actions. But the belief that there is a "something else" that must be doing those things through her, still has power.
And what if there is just believing happening, with no believer involved?
What if the actions are being done and no one doing them?

There is no apparent thing separate from anything else, making thoughts appear, words arise, actions unfold. This is both clear and terribly hard to look at, to focus on.
Beuatiful. Yes, it is like this in the apparent begining so to speak. Gradually it will become more easier to look at. Just keep looking :-)
All knowing is false. Only sensing what is experienced directly can be known. (And even that quickly spirals into a story and belief.) All knowing is false. Sue can put down the knowing and directly experience what is unfolding, in every moment. Nothing more is needed. Nothing more is real or true. Sue is not real or true. (typing this, feeling a distant sense of its truth, not merged with yet.)
Beautiful.
Is there an inside or an outside? Suddenly I wanted to laugh at this question because it landed as absurd. How could there be an inside separate from an outside? What does that even mean? I don't know if there's such a thing as a three-dimensional mobius strip but all that can be experienced is feeling that way. No, I don't know how there could be an inside and an outside, from a what-is-perceived perspective. Only in a thought or belief system.
And I'm laughing too :-) What a wonderful inside. Yes, it is in a way ridiculous when the questiona are looked at directly without relying on what thoughts are saying. And here comes the miracle of this - already perfect as it is :)

Can you look at this

What if there is no more ‘me’ but rather there is just the seeing of the habitual thoughts and perceptions that is MISTAKEN FOR a ‘me’?

Thank you Luchana,
With much gratitude and love,
You are most welcome Sue. So much joy is coming reading this.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:10 pm

The character of Sue still believes that she can shape the story, even if she can't choose an entirely different story. But the character of Sue can not find anywhere that she is choosing to think thoughts, say words, or take actions. But the belief that there is a "something else" that must be doing those things through her, still has power.

And what if there is just believing happening, with no believer involved?
What if the actions are being done and no one doing them?
Yes. No believer involved. No doer shaping thoughts, words, or actions. That feels so calm and profound and true and restful. An arising, rippling from previous arisings.
Can you look at this

What if there is no more ‘me’ but rather there is just the seeing of the habitual thoughts and perceptions that is MISTAKEN FOR a ‘me’?
Ahhh, right! This makes me smile and want to laugh!

How silly of me to have been "discovering" habitual thoughts and perceptions, and thinking not only that they were a real "me" but parts of "me" that needed to be fixed up or hidden! hahahaha! I have built an entire, very solid feeling story of me out of some habit patterns and echoes!! Oh god, how silly is that?!

Feeling very light and open this morning and enjoying the spaciousness. So much love and appreciation here for your company and pointing, Luchana <3
Sue

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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:35 am

Hi Sue,
Yes. No believer involved. No doer shaping thoughts, words, or actions. That feels so calm and profound and true and restful. An arising, rippling from previous arisings.
Beuatiful.
Keep looking how things unfold by themselves.
Ahhh, right! This makes me smile and want to laugh!

How silly of me to have been "discovering" habitual thoughts and perceptions, and thinking not only that they were a real "me" but parts of "me" that needed to be fixed up or hidden! hahahaha! I have built an entire, very solid feeling story of me out of some habit patterns and echoes!! Oh god, how silly is that?!
yea, it is in a way silly, until it is not :-)


Was there ever been a REAL self, a REAL me? Or there were just thoughts about the self and me?

And does the story really solid? Or it is just a story? Sweet yet equally emptty as any "other story.
Feeling very light and open this morning and enjoying the spaciousness. So much love and appreciation here for your company and pointing, Luchana <3
Love send back and reflects your smile dear Sue.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:09 am

Hi Luchana,

I have been experiencing much relief from having the story of "Sue" be much less solid, as various life situations have continued to unfold in ways that I usually experience with intense stabs of stress. I can catch and release the anxiety and tension quicker because I see that the story of Sue is nothing that needs to be defended -- and that feels like a huge great thing. But, I am still attached to a story of separation, of being different from or disconnected from the rest of what's unfolding around me.

Not feeling the one-with-everything that I have been holding expectations about! :D

Was there ever been a REAL self, a REAL me? Or there were just thoughts about the self and me?
There were always and only just thoughts. I do get that. I just don't know what there is, beyond the story of me, and how I... interact with that. It's hard to pinpoint why I feel a stuck-ness right now.

There's a flow of experiencing. And I feel separate from it, confused by and resisting having nothing to "be". Maybe I'm caught in a more subtle version of the "witness" story. Maybe it's resistance to letting go of knowing. Or letting go of believing I'm a separate thing. There is some big resistance and fear in that last thought. Such tightness at the thought "what happens to "me" if I let go of being a separate me??" And there is an urge to laugh at the anxiety and constriction too!
And does the story really solid? Or it is just a story? Sweet yet equally empty as any "other story.
Okay, it is an empty story, and I am feeling fear about what happens when I let it go.

It's an empty story, and I don't know what happens next when I let go of it, and so I am trying like mad to avoid looking at it directly. It is good to sit down and admit that to myself (and to you!)

Thank you,
Luchana
Much love to you
Sue

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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Sun Jan 16, 2022 8:30 am

Hi Sue,
There is some big resistance and fear in that last thought. Such tightness at the thought "what happens to "me" if I let go of being a separate me??" And there is an urge to laugh at the anxiety and constriction too!
Okay, it is an empty story, and I am feeling fear about what happens when I let it go.
Thank you for sharing this with me. It’s important because fear can be a hindrance of going further. But actually, fear is nothing more than a protective mechanism, and it does its job well. Now, let's take a closer look at this.
Sit somewhere quietly and notice that you are in a secure environment- no real danger is there.

Look at fear and just let it be here. Find where in the body is being felt, bring it closer, invite it to share its wisdom. It's fine to just let it be. It is protecting something from being found out. It is a sensation.

What I’d like you to do now is to investigate this sensation. Examine it closely. Feel it. Don’t try to fix it or solve it, just sit with it.
Ask the fear:

What do you want to protect me from?

What is the ‘negative’ story, what might happen if you not resist?

Look very closely. This fear suggests something. It tells a story.

What is this fear about?


Observe what images and stories come up ‘justifying’ its right to fear.

If you ignore the stories (thoughts) and mental images what is BEHIND the fear?



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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:06 am

Hi Luchana,

Things continue to unfold in incremental and hard to explain ways, conditioning and beliefs thinning out and falling away, punctuated by unexpected developments in ordinary life that feel scary and hard to navigate! It feels like I'm in an accelerating stream of life events that awaken some of my strongest fears or places that I cling to an identity. But that is just a story too.

I've been looking into fearful reactions to particular developments. I am much more willing to consider the reality of "no Sue" when it takes the edge off believing in a Sue in a stressful moment.

And, It reminds me to return to this original work.

There is no Sue. The story of Sue is empty, meaningless. There is no Sue thinking the thoughts, no Sue deciding on the next actions, no Sue to whom feelings are happening. There are thoughts arising. Actions flowing. Feelings arising and dissolving without a doer or a receiver. No Sue is needed for these things to unfold. No separate self is possible as these things unfold. Even when people ask me to do things, there is no separate self asking, or doing. What would it be like to let go into that knowing? (Trying to reconnect with that basic fear again.)

What do you want to protect me from, Fear that resists dropping belief in a separate self?

From failing to do what needs to be done. (definitely not going to happen. Doing seems to always be happening through this me.)

From failing to do the "right" thing. (hah again. Belief in a Sue and attempting to act from a Sue does not produce the "right" results. I don't even know what those would be. Who can know or say what the "right" thing is? Not a thought. Not a story.)

what is the negative story? What might happen if I don't resist?

People won't like me. (what, for not doing what I think they want me to do because I stopped thinking there's a me whose image needs to be protected and shaped?? Ugh, so convoluted and ridiculous. Plus, there are no "people" because there's no "me"!)

I'll stop... being... here, somehow. "I" will disappear. (Yes, the story fades away, no the experiencing doesn't stop until the body dies.)

What is this fear about?

It doesn't want to let go of a (false) sense of control. It is terrified of having no way to control anything. It has never had any way to control anything, but has always hoped, always created a story of a future where it would finally have control. It doesn't want to give that story up. Because, having no control is... an ancient wound. An unhealed childhood. Nope, that's all a made up story -- the possibility of control/the old wound/unhealed childhood, all of it is a story.

Because the thought of having no control is followed by a feeling of intense frustration, a feeling of fear. Nope, just strong sensations, the labeling is... meaningless, another way of trying to control.

What is this fear about? I don't know. Nothing. It's an empty experience. Transient also.

What is behind this fear?
Nothing. A quietness. What's arising to be heard and seen in this moment. Nothing more.

Thank you for the pointing, Luchana.

I will keep looking, will see how this settles. I feel both calm and somewhat intense residual agitation. It's confusing.

Sue


What do you want to protect me from?

What is the ‘negative’ story, what might happen if you not resist?

Look very closely. This fear suggests something. It tells a story.

What is this fear about?


Observe what images and stories come up ‘justifying’ its right to fear.

If you ignore the stories (thoughts) and mental images what is BEHIND the fear?
Sue

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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Fri Jan 21, 2022 4:12 pm

Hi Sue,

you did a wonderful investigation into the sensation of fear.
Nothing. A quietness. What's arising to be heard and seen in this moment. Nothing more.
Beautiful, Yes, fear protects nothing. It is just a sensation.

And I totally understand that is it hard to let go of the illusion of control. But the most scary image which thoughs are suggesting is just a story only. And it as empty as an empty glass - nothing there :-)
What can ot will happen (according to thougths) is never ever true. There never was a Sue to control and choose anyway so basically nothing will change. Just the belief drops and that's all.
From failing to do what needs to be done. (definitely not going to happen. Doing seems to always be happening through this me.)


There is no failure here at all, we are all on the same winning table :-)
We can also investigate this sensation later.

Can you now sit for a while quetlly and just look first right and than left and than what is in front.

And look these very simple questions:

Can you NOT see the view on the left?
Can you NOT see the view on the right?
Can you NOT see the view in front?
Can you turn off seeing?

What did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

If you are unable to choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?



Much love,
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:37 pm

Can you now sit for a while quetlly and just look first right and than left and than what is in front.

And look these very simple questions:

Can you NOT see the view on the left?
Can you NOT see the view on the right?
Can you NOT see the view in front?
Can you turn off seeing?

What did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

If you are unable to choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?
Hi Luchana,
Sorry to let this sit so long. I've been feeling such a frustrating amount of resistance and stuckness. And also life continues to present sizeable distractions.

I can't NOT see what is around me. It is there when I look. I don't choose when to look. I can be lost in thought and apparently not see it but I don't choose those times that I am lost in thought, and I don't choose when to suddenly be fully present and noticing.

I can't turn off the seeing. Nor can I turn it on. I wake up when it happens. No "I" makes it happen. My eyes open when it happens. Thoughts obscure seeing when it happens. Not when I or a chooser makes it happen.

I am unable to choose what I am aware of. This is totally, observably true.

What else is there to choose, if I can't choose what to be aware of?

How can I have any agency at all, when I'm not in control of thinking, I'm not in control of doing, and I'm not in control of noticing?

I just feel like swearing here. Wow. Such a sensation of frustrated rage and resistance and even some tears threatening to fall. I am not in control of the fighting and resisting, even. It's just what is arising.

I. Have. No. Agency. None.

What wants to cry about this? Why does it cry about this??

There is nothing that can be chosen. There is no one doing the choosing. There is no one fighting this realization. Resistance is just arising.

Oh.

But to no one. No one experiences the resistance. No one is fighting the falling away of the story. It's an empty process. No one is here to suffer. Hooo. Wow. Can this be true?

All right. No one :) is signing off for now. This will maybe ripen further.
Sue

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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:14 pm

Hi Sue,

you did a a very good observation.
I just feel like swearing here. Wow. Such a sensation of frustrated rage and resistance and even some tears threatening to fall. I am not in control of the fighting and resisting, even. It's just what is arising.
Oh, how good I know those feelings. Yes, they are already here and can't be avoided. And also no feeling/sensation is going to kill us.

Is it OK to feel what you feel?

I. Have. No. Agency. None.

What wants to cry about this? Why does it cry about this??

There is nothing that can be chosen. There is no one doing the choosing. There is no one fighting this realization. Resistance is just arising.
It is totally fine to feel all these, Sue. This is a whole life conditioning and masterating an ilusionary self. And the system needs time to "learn" to live with this.
But the simple fact is just a simple fact - there never was anyone in control anywhere in any shape or form.
The self, me is a fiction. Just like Cinderella.

And who can say who wants to cry? It's just crying happening, tears falling and that is beautiful.
The sensation doesn't define who and what we are.
What we are is a mistery, it is unknown..
And that is freedom.

See, freedom WITH, not FROM.

Give your self time and be gentle. Do not push, just soflty examine the reality and try again and again to find something or someone separate from what's happening.

Much love,
Luchana
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:19 pm

Hi Luchana,

Feeling an urge to check in here.

The realization that "I" have no agency continues to ripple outward, mostly as an experience of lowered stress around, well, most everything.

There's still a sense of an I experiencing all of this, but it is more transparent and inconsequential.

I am quite clear that the story I've believed all my life about me being a separate person making choices and shaping her reality isn't true, but I still have a sense that the point in space that I experience from (the physical location, the sensory input coming from the location) indicates a certain separation from the whole, since the whole is vaster than what I can perceive from here.

In typing that, I realize it is built entirely on thoughts that something exists beyond the range of my perceptions. LIke LU guides on the other side of the globe! :D This piece is sticky for me. That I can only be sure of what I can perceive, but I am still stuck on the idea that London exists, or the ocean, or you!

In the life in front of me, there's a greater recognition of and calm detachment from conditioning thoughts and behaviors.

Lots of small "aha"s about why I or humans generally do things the way we do in a given situation. And my ability to access profoundly alternative perspectives on situations or my responses to them is intensified.

I keep waiting for the "one with everything" moment, or even a more consistent "I" don't exist experience, but I also feel a sense of unfolding happening and an uncharacteristic patience with it all.

There is a sense of ease and lightness that is lovely.

Thoughts that have long measured the worth of Sue by how much she accomplished are still arising, but they don't seem to be as able to cause much distress, or a change in activity. (Apparently my thoughts about being busy never caused a change in activity, but I did used to stay busy with "doings" a lot more than I do in recent years.)
Is it OK to feel what you feel?
Yes. And I'm not feeling that rage and frustration this past week, perhaps because I am not looking so hard for the non-existent self.

Thoughts say I should be pushing the inquiry more, but mostly I am feeling profoundly restful and curious about how I could push anything when I have no agency, hahaha. It's just a relief to not believe those types of thoughts anymore (and a little unreal still, to think I can truly be released from it.)

I hope you and Lubo are well. I'm profoundly grateful for you both sharing what you share into the world.

Much love,
Sue
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:19 pm

Hi Luchana,

Feeling an urge to check in here.

The realization that "I" have no agency continues to ripple outward, mostly as an experience of lowered stress around, well, most everything.

There's still a sense of an I experiencing all of this, but it is more transparent and inconsequential.

I am quite clear that the story I've believed all my life about me being a separate person making choices and shaping her reality isn't true, but I still have a sense that the point in space that I experience from (the physical location, the sensory input coming from the location) indicates a certain separation from the whole, since the whole is vaster than what I can perceive from here.

In typing that, I realize it is built entirely on thoughts that something exists beyond the range of my perceptions. LIke LU guides on the other side of the globe! :D This piece is sticky for me. That I can only be sure of what I can perceive, but I am still stuck on the idea that London exists, or the ocean, or you!

In the life in front of me, there's a greater recognition of and calm detachment from conditioning thoughts and behaviors.

Lots of small "aha"s about why I or humans generally do things the way we do in a given situation. And my ability to access profoundly alternative perspectives on situations or my responses to them is intensified.

I keep waiting for the "one with everything" moment, or even a more consistent "I" don't exist experience, but I also feel a sense of unfolding happening and an uncharacteristic patience with it all.

There is a sense of ease and lightness that is lovely.

Thoughts that have long measured the worth of Sue by how much she accomplished are still arising, but they don't seem to be as able to cause much distress, or a change in activity. (Apparently my thoughts about being busy never caused a change in activity, but I did used to stay busy with "doings" a lot more than I do in recent years.)
Is it OK to feel what you feel?
Yes. And I'm not feeling that rage and frustration this past week, perhaps because I am not looking so hard for the non-existent self.

Thoughts say I should be pushing the inquiry more, but mostly I am feeling profoundly restful and curious about how I could push anything when I have no agency, hahaha. It's just a relief to not believe those types of thoughts anymore (and a little unreal still, to think I can truly be released from it.)

I hope you and Lubo are well. I'm profoundly grateful for you both sharing what you share into the world.

Much love,
Sue
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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby Luchana » Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:22 pm

Hi Sue,
Thankf you for your honesty and reply. I read it carefully and here what comes up:
There's still a sense of an I experiencing all of this, but it is more transparent and inconsequential.
Yea, there maybe is a sence, but is there a REAL experiener?

Is there something real besides a thougth about it?
That's the question.
In the life in front of me, there's a greater recognition of and calm detachment from conditioning thoughts and behaviors.

Lots of small "aha"s about why I or humans generally do things the way we do in a given situation. And my ability to access profoundly alternative perspectives on situations or my responses to them is intensified.
Beautiful. Those small "aha's" are making the diference.
I keep waiting for the "one with everything" moment, or even a more consistent "I" don't exist experience, but I also feel a sense of unfolding happening and an uncharacteristic patience with it all.
Looking, and keep looking (and not waiting:-) many many many moments during the day is what bring the realisation that there never was a separate I.

Does a thought about an I make an I real?
There is a sense of ease and lightness that is lovely.

Next, as you move around in your normal activities, check and see if you can find a self moving the body around. Walking, driving, typing, dressing yourself, etc.

Is there a WHO living your life?
Or are there just thoughts about everything, including a self, seeming to live your life?

Just look at the evidence. In your daily life, in all your actions, keep returning to this focus on the thoughts as you move around. Keep checking if there is something real, besides a thought, that owns and directs the body.
I hope you and Lubo are well. I'm profoundly grateful for you both sharing what you share into the world.
Oh, thank you Sue for your kind words. Lost of love.
Luchana
If you wonder what it’s like living nonduality in everyday life?
https://awakeningawakened.com/2022/10/2 ... onduality/

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Re: It's just time to do this

Postby MsBlueSky » Mon Feb 14, 2022 5:55 pm

Good morning Luchana,

Since our zoom a week ago, I have been thinking these questions and looking for what can be found, but not writing, and I am missing the clarity that comes with the writing. Too many moments still spent captivated by dramatic thinking about imagined goings on in an imagined larger world.
There's still a sense of an I experiencing all of this, but it is more transparent and inconsequential.

Yea, there maybe is a sence, but is there a REAL experiener?

Is there something real besides a thougth about it?
That's the question.
No. There's nothing here, but because I am still looking for it, I'm giving it imagined reality. I feel like the little kid, afraid of the monster under the bed, who looks with a parent, sees nothing, and instead of realizing that there is no monster, wonders where else it could be hiding. This is getting tedious!

There is nothing running this life. Thoughts keep arising and habit patterns attach to them as an absurd distraction from the pure clean emptiness that is this moment and the next and the next unfolding.
Does a thought about an I make an I real?
God, no. Thoughts make nothing real. Thoughts are clouds and the shadows they cast have zero solidity in the landscape below.

Is there a WHO living your life?
Or are there just thoughts about everything, including a self, seeming to live your life?
Right. Nothing living this. Thoughts jump in to claim self-ness when attention is focused on life as it moves here, to claim the doing of it, but so much of what unfolds here happens through what has been labeled "auto-pilot" while attention is fully enmeshed with thoughts and thinking. That alone should have been the big clue!

I've been looking for the replacement to the Sue I thought I was, the deeper, real-er thing living this apparent life.

And as I've been noticing habit patterns and seeing them more clearly and feeling them loosen, I've been fascinated by that process, but it's no more meaningful than watching clouds dissolve.

There's a game of "cloud busting" I played as a kid, watching clouds and "willing them" to dissolve and claiming to have busted them as they evaporate. I'm feeling like attention has been captivated by that game for the last little while.

There is worry that seeing through me self means seeing through husband self and children selves and how will that unfold but just typing that makes me realize all will be the better for it. This Sue story can stop reinforcing false stories its been telling, at the very least. These primary relationships are feeling like the hardest to stop believing in, except it's not about belief. You can't believe a fiction into being.

Okay. Glad to have sat down at the keyboard again and forced attention towards the emptiness of the story for a longer stretch of time. Will keep at that.

Thank you, Luchana. Much gratitude arising!
Sue


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