All there is ..is this...

[jgdapoorva]

Beautiful,

there is a search for something

Is there still a search? For what?

Regards,
Apoorva

[Shantipriya]

Hi Apoorva...lovely that your back :)

Is there still a search? For what?

There is a knowing that there is nothing to search for...that there is no seperate self ,"I", this is seen , here now , but it seemingly is coming and going when the attention is not here,..like it is forgotten and yet there is a knowing that there is no one to forget,..beingness (I like to call it).. is always here, now..
Thoughts are still attracting attention, there is still this tendency and it is noticed that as soon as a thought does this..there is the 'I' .

Love Shantipriya.

Thank you..

[jgdapoorva]

Hey,

Thoughts are still attracting attention, there is still this tendency and it is noticed that as soon as a thought does this..there is the 'I' .

So, is this a problem? Do you feel that the self should not be there now? Are you looking for some state of no-self?

Regards,
Apoorva

[Shantipriya]

So, is this a problem? Do you feel that the self should not be there now? Are you looking for some state of no-self?

I couldn't say that it is a problem as I know thoughts are still going to arise , but they are arising for someone when there is attention and identification. Maybe that is what's happening here, looking for a state of no self ! I know conceptually that there is no state as a state comes and goes and when there is just being in the experience of whatever is arising ..there isn't any looking for something else, everything is here already.

I have heard the term , words used thar the self falls, drops away though there was never a self to begin with to fall away. That can be understood by the mind to be such a momentous moment !!

Love Shantipriya.

[jgdapoorva]

Hey Shantipriya,

Sorry for replying after a gap of so many days. The festival of Deepawali is being celebrated in India and I was it occupied with family functions.

but they are arising for someone when there is attention and identification

What is this "someone"? Kindly elaborate.

looking for a state of no-self

So what do you expect this state of no-self to be like? How will it be different from the present perception?

the self falls, drops away though there was never a self, to begin with, to fall away.

Is there really any self to fall off or drop? What do you expect this falling away to look like?

That can be understood by the mind to be such a momentous moment !!

What do you think/feel/expect this momentous moment to be like?

Regards,

[Shantipriya]

Greetings Apoorva..

Ah yes...the Deepawali festival..lovely.Happy to have you back, thank you for being here.

What is this "someone"? Kindly elaborate

This 'someone' im referring to is the 'I' , the person so to speak . So Im referring to the person identifying with the thoughts and seemingly getting ... lost in the thought. ,,rather than thoughts just arising and moving on and .they ( thoughts) seem to be in the background . There's noticing here that when there's full on presence in what is happening now.thoughts are arising but there s less of a pull.

So what do you expect this state of no-self to be like? How will it be different from the present perception?

I don't have any idea of what this no self state would be like. If there was an idea..that is only a thought..and thoughts aren't real, and if it was some kind of state..there would need to be a person to experience a state and how can a no-self experience a state of no-self...hehe...When you ask these questions to look, it really brings aha moments of what is...what's happening for no one.

Is there really any self to fall off or drop? What do you expect this falling away to look like?

No, there isn't any self to fall ...that is just another concept,,an idea the mind has latched onto. To expect something to happen only engages the mind to try and imagine what that may look like..another story . The imagination could create a picture of what falling away could look like but that would be made up from a thought.

What do you think/feel/expect this momentous moment to be like?

When you ask this question, what comes up is..I have no idea! That's just a story of the mind that likes to make it something special.
What is this mind Apoorva? I seem to refer to this word often..and when I look for the mind..it can't be found. Thoughts come from no where but what is mind..? It's not the brain that apparently resides in the head..like other functions of the body. Is the mind the seperate self..?

Much love, Shantipriya.

[jgdapoorva]

Hey,

Nice.

What is this mind Apoorva? I seem to refer to this word often..and when I look for the mind..it can't be found. Thoughts come from no where but what is mind..? It's not the brain that apparently resides in the head..like other functions of the body. Is the mind the seperate self..?

Nice inquiry. Look in your own experience. What is that which you call the mind? Just see what you find.

One thing I would like to state is that there is a difference between "There is no you" and "You don't exist".
The sense of "I Am", the sense that there is existence, of being is anyways already there. It's not what we refer to here as the separate self. The separate self is the self that we have created out of this lifetime. So, when we say that the separate self is an illusion. It does not mean that it does not exist. It exists. But only because we give it existence. It is the identity that we have placed upon us. But this identity is not the complete truth of us. So, don't think that there will be no existence of you. Its just that you cease to identify as this separate self.

Regards,
Apoorva

[Shantipriya]

Look in your own experience. What is that which you call the mind? Just see what you find.

When I look I only find a thinker , is the mind the source of the thinker ? And then who or what is the thinker? There are these questions that arise and they seem to arise for the me..The more I look the more I come to nothing, emptiness.. l There is no thinker needed to experience what is here. The sense of I amness.

May I ask ..if the sperate self is an illusion...not real, then how can it exist..? . can it not only exist where there is the belief that it is who I am ? So if there is no identification, the separate self ceases to exist?

Love Shantipriya

[jgdapoorva]

Hello,

When I look I only find a thinker , is the mind the source of the thinker ? And then who or what is the thinker? There are these questions that arise and they seem to arise for the me..The more I look the more I come to nothing, emptiness.. l There is no thinker needed to experience what is here. The sense of I amness.

Look to this me/I. Is it a thinker or just thoughts are referring to a thinker that exists only in thoughts?

May I ask ..if the sperate self is an illusion...not real, then how can it exist..? . can it not only exist where there is the belief that it is who I am ? So if there is no identification, the separate self ceases to exist?

Nice questions. However, you have to bring out your own answers from your own looking. This investigation is about finding or own answers :).
Consider this. Have you ever been to Disneyland or something similar? Disneyland itself is an illusion. You already know it before you enter. You still experience it as real. The experience of Disneyland is real but not Disneyland. Isn't it. That's how the illusion of a separate self is.

Regards,
Apoorva

[Shantipriya]

Hi !

Look to this me/I. Is it a thinker or just thoughts are referring to a thinker that exists only in thoughts?

Yes, it is just thoughts referring to a thinker.

How is it possible to know that which is outside the self , that which is seen.. observed ,is an illusion..how is it known that Disneyland, for example ,is an illusion, or for that matter...anything !

I can see here that the mind is trying to work it out...!

I am looking at a tree...is that an illusion? It seems real, solid to touch., I can smell the bark, hear its leaves blowing in the wind, is this an illusion? The experience of smelling, touching , hearing is a real felt knowing that the tree is real, but if there is not an experience of it then it's an illusion. ? Not real..The table, where I'm sitting now..this seems real...but for whom is this real..? Who is the experiencer...is it experience just happening for no one...the senses all experience ., that is all. So many questions arising here but nowhere to arrive..!

Thank you for your pointers,..

Love Shantipriya.

[jgdapoorva]

Hey Shantipriya,

How are you doing now. For some time just take a break from looking, from this exploration and just go about your life. Just go on living your life, doing your thing, being "Shantipriya". Just rest and take a break from all this.

Regards,
Apoorva

[Shantipriya]

Hi Apoorva..

Why to take a break..? Can you please explain ? Thanks.

Shantipriya.

[jgdapoorva]

It's in rest that our answers are revealed to us... 😊

[Shantipriya]

Are you also saying that your guidance is no more...?

[jgdapoorva]

No no.
Just take a break for 2 - 3 days. Enjoy being yourself. Being Shantipriya. Get curious about your self. Go about your days.
Then we shall continue after 2 to 3 days. Just be without any expectation. Just be in the flow of life.

Regards,
Apoorva