The Gate

Dear Eloratea,

Can we agree that there is no you in direct experience? Just a thought about you and fear of leaving the idea of separate self?

Yes. Thoughts, sensations, images, sound... Feeling of a me. Thoughs about me. No me.

Come whenever possible to this recognition without labeling and just notice how thoughts and actions just arise in actual experience.

It is not seen all the time, but I have just to sit and look and it is seen. Sometimes nothing special is done and it's here. It's quite spontaneous.

Love

Leo

Yes. Thoughts, sensations, images, sound... Feeling of a me. Thoughts about me. No me.

Just like reflections in the mirror of awareness…

It is not seen all the time, but I have just to sit and look and it is seen. Sometimes nothing special is done and it's here. It's quite spontaneous.

And when you don’t sit and look, is there you or it is just interpreted that way by thoughts?
Like changing perspective from mirror and reflections.

Is there s separate self in any way or form? Was there ever?

With Love.

Dear Eloratea,

Just like reflections in the mirror of awareness…

Yes. Awareness can't never touched by anything whatever is here.

And when you don’t sit and look, is there you or it is just interpreted that way by thoughts?
Like changing perspective from mirror and reflections.

It can't be different depending on situations, there is only one truth wether it's perceived or not. As you said, the difference is just in the point of view

s there s separate self in any way or form? Was there ever?

It must be concluded that there is no separate self ever for anyone. The illusion is very convincing, but upon close observation "I" see it is just not possible.

Love :)

Leo

It must be concluded that there is no separate self ever for anyone. The illusion is very convincing, but upon close observation "I" see it is just not possible.

Great. Is this really seen in “your” experience”?
Is there some change? How does it feel to see it?

What is actually happening right now? Who is talking with who?
:)
Love.

Dear Eloratea

Great. Is this really seen in “your” experience”?
Is there some change? How does it feel to see it?

It has been seen very clearly for 3 days and now it seems the focus comes back and forth on thoughts or on awareness, many thoughts of doubts arising, some fear of "failure".. Sometimes they just pass by, are noticed and disapear, sometimes they stay a bit longer. I'm not sure what to conclude.
Globally no major change, life is going on, thoughts and emotions are still there, but I did notice some subtle changes, like emotions stay less in awareness: they arise then disappear, like if they had less grip. "Bad" things seems less important. Or life seems to be more fluid, everything falls more naturally in place.
When I see the absence clearly, it feels spacious and very quiet. And a sense of "obviousness", it's a strange feeling

What is actually happening right now? Who is talking with who?

I'm not sure what's happening. Talking happens. I don't know where the questions come from, or the answers. It seems automatic.

Love
Leo

It has been seen very clearly for 3 days and now it seems the focus comes back and forth on thoughts or on awareness, many thoughts of doubts arising, some fear of "failure".. Sometimes they just pass by, are noticed and disappear, sometimes they stay a bit longer. I'm not sure what to conclude.

You need nothing to conclude for now, just notice whatever arises in experience.

Globally no major change, life is going on, thoughts and emotions are still there, but I did notice some subtle changes, like emotions stay less in awareness: they arise then disappear, like if they had less grip. "Bad" things seems less important. Or life seems to be more fluid, everything falls more naturally in place.

Nice, subtle signs.

When I see the absence clearly, it feels spacious and very quiet. And a sense of "obviousness", it's a strange feeling

:) dawning clarity…

I'm not sure what's happening. Talking happens. I don't know where the questions come from, or the answers. It seems automatic.

Yes, in direct experience, no divisions, one seamless experience.

Is there any doubts now about what is pointed here, about existence of separate self? Meaning any separate agent in „your“ direct experience?

Lots of Love.

Dear Eloratea,

Is there any doubts now about what is pointed here, about existence of separate self? Meaning any separate agent in „your“ direct experience?

Yes and no. Many thoughs about doubts, and fear, questionning the validity of the experience. Sometimes very angrily, or sadly. But they just are thoughts, they just appear in experience, stay a little or not , and then vanish. No one to hold them for true or not.

Love

Leo

Dear Leo,

is there need to question further those thoughts? Or you would like to answer so called confirming questions? And we see than for further.

And yes, lots of different energies may surface upon deeper inquiries, but nothing is personal, nothing has its owner.

Much Love.

Dear Eloratea,

is there need to question further those thoughts? Or you would like to answer so called confirming questions? And we see than for further.

I feel the thoughts are going to resolve naturally. They maybe just need a little time for adjustment. I'll be happy to see your questions for now. :)

Love

Leo

Here they are:

• Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
  
  Is there experiencer of the experience? What is experience?
  
  Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is and how it works.
  
  How does it feel to wake up from the dream of self?
  
  Was there something particular that made this seeing without see-er to happen? Was there some most useful pointer?

Be honest in answering, true to your own, current experience.

Much Love.

Dear Eloratea,

Is there a 'me', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

Me is found in thoughts as a word referring to a concept of separate being experiencing and acting in "his" life. Upon observation, such being can't be found anywhere. It never existed.

Is there experiencer of the experience? What is experience?

No experiencer can be found in direct experience. Experience is all what is, experienced by no one.

Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is and how it works.

The illusion is that of an belief in an entity, a me, someone, inside the body, that experience a separate world through the world, think, make decisions, act, own things, etc.. It is created probably very early in life, it is said that until 2 yo, children do not see their mother as separate from themselves, so maybe around this time. The illusion is created and maintained by thoughts constantly referring to this "me" and interpreting perception according to this belief. It is further maintained by identification through various objects (body, thoughts, beliefs) that are used as a temporary host for this "me" illusion.

How does it feel to wake up from the dream of self?

In my experience there is no "awakening" feeling, and it doesn't seem I was dreaming. What happened is just a sublte shift in perception. It's more like remembering something. A different point of view. More detachment from emotions and situations. Life seem more simple somehow.

Was there something particular that made this seeing without see-er to happen? Was there some most useful pointer?

The process progressed stepwise. The first radical change began before LU, maybe a year ago, with an interesting exercise by Greg Goode where you were supposed to progressively locate the "me" feeling in the body. Usually you perceive it in the head, between the eyes. You focus very intensely where you think "you" are. Then he asks: if you are there, who is perceiving it? It was a big shock, I was unable to think anything for several minutes.
Then I realizted that not only I was not my thoughts, but that is it impossible to choose or modify them. They flow independantly. No one can think. Just perceived thoughts.
Then I saw the impossibility to find borders between thoughts and the rest of the experience, all a big whole perception. And then, the fact that "I" can't be anything perceived. So only experiencing is left.

These are my current answers.

Love

Leo

Till the end of formal procedure you might want to read this little text :)

http://liberationunleashed.com/PDF/Awakened.pdf

Many greetings!