Re: Realization Unfolding
Posted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:36 am
The actual experience of the body is sensation from current experience.
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Yes let's make this more clear..The actual experience of the body is sensation from current experience.
When “now” is moving with time it’s just a thought. Now is always presentBut is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?
Reality doesn’t fall like dominos, like a predictable inevitability. It just happens, so one moment doesn’t Necessarily follow the other, reality just happens and exists in the present moment, so there can’t be experience experiencing things happening one after another, only what is currently present and happening.Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
The past is just mental noise that comes after the present moment. We reflect and see things that “could’ve” been in our minds and focus on that rather than what’s in reality. That’s what creates the past, a longing to change what has already occurredWhen does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'? What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?
Looking on it, no matter how emotional the past is, it has never been experienced by me. I can get lost in the story of what the past could’ve been in my own mind, and the story of how the past is in my own mind. But it isn’t reality cause it isn’t in my direct experience, so I couldn’t have experience the past that thought refers too.Or in direct asking "Have you ever actually experienced the past ?"
I am not asking have you had a thought in the present about an apparent past..
Have you ever actually experienced that past to which your thought refers ?
Very good looking Harrison.When “now” is moving with time it’s just a thought. Now is always presentBut is there an experience of the ’now’ moving along the line of time?
Reality doesn’t fall like dominos, like a predictable inevitability. It just happens, so one moment doesn’t Necessarily follow the other, reality just happens and exists in the present moment, so there can’t be experience experiencing things happening one after another, only what is currently present and happening.Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Is there any actual or direct experience of one event following another?
The past is just mental noise that comes after the present moment. We reflect and see things that “could’ve” been in our minds and focus on that rather than what’s in reality. That’s what creates the past, a longing to change what has already occurredWhen does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'? What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?
Looking on it, no matter how emotional the past is, it has never been experienced by me. I can get lost in the story of what the past could’ve been in my own mind, and the story of how the past is in my own mind. But it isn’t reality cause it isn’t in my direct experience, so I couldn’t have experience the past that thought refers too.Or in direct asking "Have you ever actually experienced the past ?"
I am not asking have you had a thought in the present about an apparent past..
Have you ever actually experienced that past to which your thought refers ?
Memory is just a thought made of feelings. Personally, smells trigger memories more than anything so memories are a thought response to things in my actual experience.What is memory exactly? What is the memory ‘made of’? WHEN does the memory appear?
There really isn't a difference, although sometimes I get more immersed in a "memory" over a "thought"What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought? Is there any ?
Because if its thought about it has to be in the past since it isn't in direct experience.How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?
What is memory exactly? What is the memory ‘made of’? WHEN does the memory appear?
Memory is just a thought made of feelings. Personally, smells trigger memories more than anything so memories are a thought response to things in my actual experience.
Sure both are thoughts appearing now!What is the exact difference between a ‘general’ thought and a ‘memory’ thought? Is there any ?
There really isn't a difference, although sometimes I get more immersed in a "memory" over a "thought"
How is it known EXACTLY that a ‘memory’ thought refers to something that has happened?
Because if its thought about it has to be in the past since it isn't in direct experience.
Feelings are sensations, and these sensations can lead into thoughts.What are feelings Harrison ? Are they sensations ? Are they thoughts ? What do you see ?
There is no actual experience of the past because the past is just a label, nothing more. The past is just a thought that's triggered by sensations in the present moment.Ok but what is the actual experience of a past ?
Does "past" really exist ?
If not what is it more then a thought appearing in the now ?
Feelings are sensations, and these sensations can lead into thoughts.What are feelings Harrison ? Are they sensations ? Are they thoughts ? What do you see ?
There is no actual experience of the past because the past is just a label, nothing more. The past is just a thought that's triggered by sensations in the present moment.Ok but what is the actual experience of a past ?
Does "past" really exist ?
If not what is it more then a thought appearing in the now ?
I can’t find a direct link between sensations to thoughts or thoughts to sensations. I have sensations and I have thoughts. One doesn’t come before the other and one doesn’t follow after, I just have what is present in this actual moment.without thought, how is it known that sensations can lead to thoughts or thoughts can lead to sensation?
But thought describes what that sensation is right ?I can’t find a direct link between sensations to thoughts or thoughts to sensations. I have sensations and I have thoughts. One doesn’t come before the other and one doesn’t follow after, I just have what is present in this actual moment.without thought, how is it known that sensations can lead to thoughts or thoughts can lead to sensation?
Thanks for the reply Harrison :)In this activity I was reflecting back on my days in high school where I was a diver. Before meets and specifically before I was supposed to dive I would get very anxious and sometimes afraid, I was thinking about how I could mess up and fail. These thoughts were kind of like a plague. Along with these feelings I noticed other sensations in my body, like a pit in my stomach and tension in my chest and hands.
One thing I noticed was that the fear I had felt back in this memory was based entirely around something that hadn’t happened yet. I was so lost in the story about events that haven’t occurred yet (like me falling off the diving board or failing a dive) that I completely lost sight of the present moment.
While looking, it seemed like the only thing linking these thoughts and feelings was “I” or “me”. Like the thoughts and anxiety “I” brought up felt real but if I remove “me” from the equation there’s no more link between the sensations and thought.
Is it possible to remove "me" ?if I remove “me” from the equation there’s no more link between the sensations and thought.