Tellmewhoyouare

[Sarah7]

Haven’t finished with you quite yet Victor! Lol

So - just to sum up can you answer these in as much detail as you feel is necessary. Theres no rush! :)

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.
How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.
Anything to add?
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Haha, absolutely.

I answer in detail within a day, I'll be right back!

Hugs, Victor

[Sarah7]

Okey dokey!
Hugs S xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

So here it goes!

Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience.
Describe it fully as you see it now.

There is none! Nothing! Just a concept, pure smoke. There ever was one, ever.

We humans have a wonderful tool that is both our biggest asset and our biggest handicap. The reflexive power of the neocortex, coupled with our linguistic abilities, creates the illusion of an external agent that our brain mistakenly identifies as an independent and autonomous agent. This agent is referenced as "self", "I", "me", etc.

The self reinforcing loop of the self gets traction at the moment the infant is able to recall absent objects with the use of language. It could be somewhere around the age of 3 years old.

From this moment, the "self" concept acts as the starting thought of a chain of thoughts that feed the avoidance-reward mechanisms of the brain. Just neuron chemistry looping on its own on self reinforcing spurs of activity.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It feels more peaceful, physically the "load" felt on the forehead is not as heavy as before, it has lessened considerably.
It feels sort of liberating. Seeing the truth (although some deconstruction process is still going on) sets this motion we call life on a more accepting and tempered note.

What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

Pinpointing the seeing to an specific moment could be misleading, but I can elaborate a moment where the crack opened and the process started:

At some point during the guidance, after extensive reading of liberationunleashed material, you Sarah (my guide) made me a question on the line of "who is looking, or feeling, or seing the thougths?" and there some time later I started to wonder who was the one seeing, and after finding nobody, wonder again who was the one seeing that there was noone seing..

..and so went the rabbit hole..

until the last thought was that may be all "agent" or "seer" was optional at all, and it could as well vanish..

and it did. The sensory input was left without manager, and everything was working great!

So the starting crack to the illusion was made there, and since then I have felt more and more deconstruction and falling of the not-true structures of the mind. I don't know where does this go, neither is any expectancy on it anyway. But the drive to be on truth is constantly there.

Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

No, no, no. There is no manager on any of the happenings of this reality. All elements interact with each other and evolve the best way they can with the current assets and context they are in. It is no different with this impersonation labeled Victor. The complexity and adaptability of the human mind makes it no different to all other beings, is just another consequence, another emergent entity of the flow of life.

Anything to add?

As lately there has been some new physical sensations, probably linked to the dropping of self made constructs, are there any conversation or link where this phase is being talked about? Not that I want to change anything or need help, but it could be of interest to see other similar cases and the responses that happened there.

And of course, to note here my immense gratitude to this great contribution you are creating here Sarah,

If anything I can do to lift this movement, I'm here for it, let me know if I could help.

Hugs,
Victor

[Sarah7]

Hey Victor

Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in Life? Do you make anything happen? Give examples from your experience.

No, no, no. There is no manager on any of the happenings of this reality. All elements interact with each other and evolve the best way they can with the current assets and context they are in. It is no different with this impersonation labeled Victor. The complexity and adaptability of the human mind makes it no different to all other beings, is just another consequence, another emergent entity of the flow of life.

Give examples from your experience.
Hugs Sarah xxx

[TellmewhoIam]

Hello Sarah,

Examples are everywhere. Some illustrating ones could be:

- Why do we have such a pressing urge to get to the bathroom when we are near our home, and not one hour before when we were far from it? did anyone decided that? no
- Did we decide when to be hungry? no
- If being angry is in most situations a waste of energy, why do we become angry instead of deciding not to? noone can decide that!
- The last time I bought an item, (backpack, small, in leather): if I look closer to that decision, how did it happen? Certain emotions preceded certain thoughts on available options and the general output of the energy flow was to buy the damm thing! lol. Who made any decission? again nobody.
- Playing lotery is demonstrated to be a probabilistically disadvantageous activity. Why do we spend our money on that? Our emotions do! and where do our emotions come from? I don´t know but probably not from the management desk of someone on our heads :-D
- More examples are on all our deep rooted routines. Most of us repeat the same behaviors day after day, from dawn till dusk.

Even this response is an example or unfree will, who made the decission to write? It was already made by nobody before the question was even posted.

Hugs
Victor

[Sarah7]

Hey Victor
I’ve sent you a pm!
Hugs Sarah xxx