Seeing Truth happening through Sky Kim

[Matthew]

How does it feel to see this?

[SkyKim]

How does it feel to see this?

It's shocking, but comfort. Strangely, it makes sense logically. Also overwhelming and intense. It's still on surface level of glimpse, but getting deeper and getting comfort... Another stories....

[Matthew]

As you saw, this will go deeper.
So the best thing to do is to relax.
Simply relax.
Surrender.
Let things fall into place by themselves.
Watch and enjoy the show.

That's what I'd rather do right now than to ask more questions.

Once this has settled, we can continue looking.

How does that sound?

[SkyKim]

As you saw, this will go deeper.
So the best thing to do is to relax.
Simply relax.
Surrender.
Let things fall into place by themselves.
Watch and enjoy the show.
That's what I'd rather do right now than to ask more questions.

Sure!

Let things fall into place by themselves.

I like this comment :)

Once this has settled, we can continue looking.
How does that sound?

Is there any approx. time frame? Like few days, one week, one month or one year.
Any recommendation?
Or whenever I feel to continue or you will trigger when you think it's time?

Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

There is no time frame.
The advice for letting things settle for the moment was just a recommendation itself.

But the personal tip really is to simply lean back and enjoy this happening right now.


Let's do this:

During the next days, just report a little from daily life.

What changes?
What stays the same?
What further insights occur?

I'd be happy to read anything you have to report.
And if something naughty comes up, we will have a look at it.
And if it feels right, we will continue looking into other areas.

[SkyKim]

Got it! Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

Looking very much forward to your report!!

[SkyKim]

I have been reviewing our talk.

Isn't also "hearing, tasting, smelling, sensation and thought" just a label?
Does this separation truly exist in experience?
Does raw experience tell anything about "hearing" or "sensing"?
What remains here when even these labels are gone?

I can label those with when it starts and when it ends. But, it's labeling (another thought), which I feel it's meaningless.
When label is gone, only nameless experience remains.

Ultimate truth? Or just a story/dream going on within you.

I keep looking at this. (By the way, sometimes I wonder what 'Looking' is?... It seems another thought which comes and goes...)
I focus on what's here inside, which now looking at computer and typing.
All the understanding occurring in me is intellectual level, which can be vaporized. I feel the only way breaking through this is recognizing the separate self first, which allows me to move on the next emptiness.

This makes me to focus on inside, Self. I'm not familiar to the term 'Self'. What is definition of "self" here? I like to make sure instead of assuming.

Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

When label is gone, only nameless experience remains.

Very well put!

By the way, sometimes I wonder what 'Looking' is?

Indeed it is also just a story.
A story, in which one has to look to find truth.
But truth is already here now, this looking is just a story appearing WITHIN this.
Same goes for all forms of seeking, meditation and what not.
When this is recognised, it is over.



Looking at things as they are comes closest to seeing things as they are.
Which is the aim of this investigation.
So when there is the impulse "LOOK", then clear non-conceptual seeing is triggered.

What is definition of "self" here?

A "self" is the assumed separate entity inside a body.
An imagined instance making decision.
An imagined "something" doing the looking, the talking and so on.

This "self" can never be found.
Only thoughts about it can be found.
It exists only as imagination.

Sometimes you read "Self" with upper case "S".
Some people seek for their higher "Self".
Some better version of the self.
But this equally does not exist.
It is also just imagined.

Let us rather have a look what remains here when ALL this imagination is gone!

I feel the only way breaking through this is recognizing the separate self

This is about recognising an absence.
This is about clearly recognising, that a separate self is not present, never was.
Recognising, that it simply does not exist in the way it is believed.



Before you'd reported this:

Or was there just an imagined dream character ALL ALONG played out in thought?

It exists in thought content all along. There is no where else I can find those exist.

At your identity.

I cannot find any identity, my identity. It's hard to define even what "identity" is.

Your hopes, your fears.
You good decision, your bad decisions.
Your story.
Your name.

Those has existed in thought and I see those keep changing as thought changes, comes and goes.

This sounds amazingly clear!
Where do you feel like a belief in a separate self is still present?

[SkyKim]

Looking at things as they are comes closest to seeing things as they are.
Which is the aim of this investigation.
So when there is the impulse "LOOK", then clear non-conceptual seeing is triggered.

Thank you for this clarification. I'm keep looking at the 'remaining nameless experience' which includes this looking.

Where do you feel like a belief in a separate self is still present?

Actually this is hardest job and I need your help. I don't know where to look. I understand self, separate entity inside a body, is imagination, and I never even imagined that way. For physical, everything is dependent to all things in universe and thoughts. Even those things exist inside Actual experience. Also thoughts are triggered out of nowhere. How come decision can be made!

Only nameless experience remains. Where else I can look except the nameless experience?
I guess that there must be belief here for separate self because I haven't seen Gate is crashed yet; of course, this is also assumption.
Please help me with this. Where I can find it?

Here is some doubt.
When I look 'remaining nameless experience' which is called 'Actual/Direct Experience(AE)'. I wonder where AE occur to? Does it occurs to me? But AE is all left; AE is me. What about other people's AE? Those are all included into this AE. This could be intellectual confusion. Maybe I can say, for now, this is the proof of the presence of separate self.. Big curiosity..

[Matthew]

AE is me.

Is there a "me" outside of AE, which can become AE?

Does it occurs to me?

Is there a "me" outside of AE, to which AE occurs to?



More tomorrow!

[Matthew]

PS:
All is good.
No need to worry about anything.
We'll unravel those questions of yours.

[SkyKim]

AE is me.

Is there a "me" outside of AE, which can become AE?

No. Only AE!

Does it occurs to me?

Is there a "me" outside of AE, to which AE occurs to?

No. AE is happening.

PS:
All is good.
No need to worry about anything.
We'll unravel those questions of yours.

Big relief and grateful!

Thank you, _()_

[Matthew]

Where do you feel like a belief in a separate self is still present?

I don't know where to look.

Where I can find it?

It can NOT be found.
This is the whole point of this investigation.
To clearly see, that a separate self does not exist.
If this belief does not exist for you, than rejoice! There is no need to conjure it up.

How come decision can be made!

What makes decisions?
Could you describe how the process of a decision is actually experienced?



This investigaion is only about looking at direct experience.
Only about what can directly be observed here and now.
Thought content is NOT a tool in this investigation.
Nothing what thought offers as an answer can be if use here.

What about other people's AE?

"Other people do experience"

Can you know this 100%?
Can you be 100% certain about this?

Can you see that in actual experience?
Or do you have to assume, that "other people" have experience based on their behaviour and what they tell you?

[SkyKim]

What makes decisions?

I have no idea.

Could you describe how the process of a decision is actually experienced?

Decision occurs. Sometimes, it looks like thought. Sometimes, it's not even recognized. For example, I decided to order 'Cheese Burger' and right moment later I was looking at me ordering 'Salad'. Sometimes I ended up 'Pasta' because they ordered wrong. Life is full of surprise. Sometimes, thought occurs "I go straight", right next moment, I'm seeing myself goring left. Of course, thought occurs "I decided to study" and I do study. It's obvious from my direct experience that decision happens. My attitude to life is "I'm curious what thought comes up or what happens next." The term decision is strange. It implies certain control. But, I don't see any.

This investigaion is only about looking at direct experience.
Only about what can directly be observed here and now.
Thought content is NOT a tool in this investigation.
Nothing what thought offers as an answer can be if use here.

I'll do my best. Sometimes it's confused whether it's direct experience or it's thought content. But, I see what you point at.

What about other people's AE?

"Other people do experience"

Can you know this 100%?
Can you be 100% certain about this?

Can you see that in actual experience?
Or do you have to assume, that "other people" have experience based on their behaviour and what they tell you?

I wonder what I can certain 100%?
I assume that other people including my daughters do experience based on my experience with them. Of course, it's NOT direct.
I couldn't solve the question; "Not Two", nondual, advaita. I see AE. If others do experience, there are multiple AE? Wow, then is there entity where AE resides? Multiple means they are separated. I don't know, but it cannot possible, because then we cannot share anything. But, I don't experience any other people's AE! AE here, the direct experience occurring here, is only one exist? AE creates whole world! GOD!?
It seems too much thoughts... but it's from pure curiosity here.

Thank you, _()_