Beginnings

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

Thank you everything if just fine here. I'm happy to continue with our conversation.

there is a sense that these 'actions' or noticing or experiences are say happening in proximity to what I know is 'my' body rather say happening in another room, but in no fixed part of that body or only say within the body...

Look directly at this sense of proximity. What is it? What is this sense linked to? Isn't proximity to "my body" a way of saying 'me'? Does proximity exist?
When listening a sound "in another room", what is telling you "this sound comes from another room"?
Look...

Let's try to identify the nature of attention. When you get lost in thoughts, where is your attention? Is it lost or is very much focused on the content of thoughts? when listening to someone telling something important, where is your attention?
Is there an effort involved in "paying attention"? What is there making an effort to pay attention?

I know you already answered this question but I think is good to put it together in this thread of answers.
Is there any effort in awareness?

You've done a great job investigating awareness.
Yes, awareness is seeing, hearing, tasting... effortlessness. Awareness just happens, as well as life happens, typing happens, breathing happens, paying bills happens, getting lost in thoughts happens, no one is needed to make anything to happen. The difference is that awareness happens all the time everywhere, taking different appearances but these appearances are awareness and awareness is not other than appearances.

Now, what is aware of awareness?

Looking forward for your replay
Love,
Luisa

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa, I responded to these some hours ago but in too much of a hurry so I deleted it. Now I've responded again and inadvertently deleted it... so for a third time I'll try and look at the questions freshly.

there is a sense that these 'actions' or noticing or experiences are say happening in proximity to what I know is 'my' body rather say happening in another room, but in no fixed part of that body or only say within the body...
Look directly at this sense of proximity. What is it? What is this sense linked to? Isn't proximity to "my body" a way of saying 'me'? Does proximity exist?

No, proximity is relative to when I see an object/subject relationship. My computer screen is an arms length away from 'me' when I am in that frame of mind. If I look at the screen - well when I am with the screen from awareness proximity doesn't exist.

When listening a sound "in another room", what is telling you "this sound comes from another room"?
Look...

Certainly thoughts and again hearing the sound as an object not directly as just sound... figure out mind, tells a story about where it is coming from. At the moment there is only silence and the tapping of computer keys and there is no proximity... only sound.

Let's try to identify the nature of attention. When you get lost in thoughts, where is your attention? Is it lost or is very much focused on the content of thoughts? when listening to someone telling something important, where is your attention?

This grouping of questions takes me straight into figure out mind as I even ask 'what does attention mean?' It has several meanings so I'm going to say that in this instance attention is (actually I can't conceptualize it this moment - what the hell is it in experience?) Attention just feels like effort, the effort of figuring out mind. It doesn't feel like a thought, but just an energy. So to respond to the questions with attention as an energy: When you get lost in thoughts, where is your attention? I don't know. Is it lost or is very much focused on the content of thoughts? It feels like attention is lost. when listening to someone telling something important, where is your attention? Supporting hearing of what they are saying and then supporting the response. Attention feels like a platform in some way. Not making sense here but the confusion is just confusion... a knot that will untie...

Is there an effort involved in "paying attention"? What is there making an effort to pay attention?

It feels that there is effort involved in attention, or attention is the effort itself... Attention is the effort, nothing else is making the effort.

Is there any effort in awareness?

There feels no effort in awareness.

Now, what is aware of awareness?

Nothing. Awareness feels aware of all... but nothing feels aware of awareness... (Now this becomes difficult to describe as I just AE'ed it) I see awareness when I see what is reflected in it... thoughts just now, this typing... spaciousness, even emptiness... but awareness doesn't seem to have any form or shape or (at all) ... other than what arises in it... Gee.... (I'll get this off now in case I lose it again)

With love too, Sophia

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

No, proximity is relative to when I see an object/subject relationship. My computer screen is an arms length away from 'me' when I am in that frame of mind. If I look at the screen - well when I am with the screen from awareness proximity doesn't exist.

I'm aware that you know very well how the relative world works, to explain how you see things using the mind is not new, is deceiving and is what refrains you from seeing what IS. Please focus ALL THE TIME in our conversation to look only in AE.

Do you remember the exercises you did with the body? If you feel you need it, please go back and do them again. See if in AE experience you see any separation between your body and the chair.

There is another way to convey the emptiness of objects that maybe is helpful for you, it was very helpful for me, if it doesn't work for you just forget it, don't try to understand it if it doesn't resonates with you:
Let's say the self is a projector projecting the image of a dog. As the projector is an illusion, there is not a subject seeing a dog, there is only "dogging".

Certainly thoughts and again hearing the sound as an object not directly as just sound... figure out mind, tells a story about where it is coming from. At the moment there is only silence and the tapping of computer keys and there is no proximity... only sound.

Exactly, only thoughts create stories about what is it, where is it, etc.

Attention just feels like effort, the effort of figuring out mind. It doesn't feel like a thought, but just an energy.

We will talk later about the 'energy' concept. Yes attention feels like effort, very good. When effort is applied is the mind what is in charge. Do you feel that when you pay attention one sense is dominant amongst others?

When you get lost in thoughts, where is your attention? I don't know. Is it lost or is very much focused on the content of thoughts?

You are doing it very well Sophia. You can SEE already what is happening, it may be the mental habits that make you doubt. When lost in thoughts attention is indeed focused on the content of thoughts, you are involved in the stories of the illusory self.

Not making sense here but the confusion is just confusion... a knot that will untie...

When there is awareness of confusion, that's what IS, end of the story. What is that saying "a knot that will untie"? Who cares? Can you what I'm pointing here, Sophia?

It feels that there is effort involved in attention, or attention is the effort itself... Attention is the effort, nothing else is making the effort.
There feels no effort in awareness.

Exactly, against what it seems due to our strong mental habits, for attention effort is required, as well as to get involved in thoughts content. Resting in awareness is effortlessness no effort is required to hear, see, etc.

Nothing. Awareness feels aware of all... but nothing feels aware of awareness...

Good, yes. Awareness is all that IS.


I'm glad that you didn't desisted sending the message. So called obstacles sometimes prove our determination.

Thank you Sophia

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa,

Yes attention feels like effort. When effort is applied is it the mind that is in charge. Do you feel that when you pay attention one sense is dominant amongst others?

When paying attention it feels as if thoughts/thinking are/is in charge... Like there is a thought 'pay attention here' and it doesn't feel like seeing... actually hearing might be dominate, 'pay attention' so hearing can be clear and accurate.

When there is awareness of confusion, that's what IS, end of the story. What is that saying "a knot that will untie"? Who cares? Can you what I'm pointing here, Sophia?

Yes I can Luisa... There is no one to care if the knot unties... cos there is no one interested/lost in the knot, confusion is just confusion... next minute there will be something else. I can see that 'easily' in terms of sound, sights, sensations... sound of someone scraping paint, sound of computer keys, sound of silence, of car...

It feels that there is effort involved in attention, or attention is the effort itself... Attention is the effort, nothing else is making the effort. There feels no effort in awareness.

An entirely different comment Luisa... So we are in late spring - and we had a wet last summer and winter... Today is the most 'perfect' day, warm sun - no wind... no effort to be alive, everyone feels lifted and happy... such a day feels like everyone is bathed in awareness rather than lost in content of thought.... all just a thought now, all just a thought...

May you be well to and always many thanks, Sophia

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

Sweet, I'm glad you can enjoy the moments allowing you to feel the pleasurable and at the same time being conscious about thoughts. I'm really happy for you. These moments give you the opportunity to see that thoughts won't necessarily stop, not even the thoughts with 'I" content, how would it be? Is the spaciousness created between experience and thoughts what dismantles the illusion. Once this illusion is identified, there is no step back. How can someone believe back in Santa Clause once is realized that is just an illusion? :)

I didn't mention before but if at any time you feel any emotional state arising due to our conversation please let me know so we can have a look and see where is this coming from.

When paying attention it feels as if thoughts/thinking are/is in charge... Like there is a thought 'pay attention here' and it doesn't feel like seeing... actually hearing might be dominate, 'pay attention' so hearing can be clear and accurate.

That's it Sophia. When paying attention it feels as if thoughts/thinking are/is in charge
Now look closely here. Is hearing happening when there isn't attention? What do you mean by "clear and accurate"? Do you mean that we need thoughts to hear clear and accurate? Is not the hearing clear and accurate by itself? What could make the hearing unclear and inaccurate?
When you sit in meditation, thoughts settled down. After the session, could you report about something happening at your surroundings (let's say a neighbour going or coming or whatever it may happen) without you paying attention to it?

There is no one to care if the knot unties... cos there is no one interested/lost in the knot, confusion is just confusion... next minute there will be something else.

Exactly, plus there is no one being confused there is just confusion as when there is just happiness or pleasure, that is what IS, again just life happening :)



The idea that there could something more be known beyond that, what is known in the present moment is based on the idea of time.
Let us have a look at this idea!

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What is that saying "a knot that will untie"?

You didn't answer to this question. Do you agree that this is just a thought and is a thought predicting a future?

There is a general assumption that there is linear time that started (if started at all) somewhere very far in the past and advances to the distant future. The present moment (now) is considered to be a very small fragment of time or an event that is moving forward on this linear time, coming from the past and advancing to the future.

But is there an experience that the ’now’ is moving along the line of time?
Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?
Any actual experience of one event following another?

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?

How long does the ‘now’ last?

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa,

When paying attention it feels as if thoughts/thinking are/is in charge... Like there is a thought 'pay attention here' and it doesn't feel like seeing... actually hearing might be dominate, 'pay attention' so hearing can be clear and accurate.

Is hearing happening when there isn't attention? What do you mean by "clear and accurate"? Do you mean that we need thoughts to hear clear and accurate? Is not the hearing clear and accurate by itself? What could make the hearing unclear and inaccurate?

At the moment there is silence within awareness and computer keys clicking - no attention. Generally, no i don't need thoughts to hear 'clear and accurately'. As my hearing is declining in large groups/noisy environments... then it feels that I need to pay attention more so I've heard what is being said. But right now in AE that is not the experience. So only ageing and the failing of hearing makes that difficult. I'll watch for this over the weekend when I will be with others.

When you sit in meditation, thoughts settled down. After the session, could you report about something happening at your surroundings (let's say a neighbour going or coming or whatever it may happen) without you paying attention to it?

Yes, there is or maybe noticing of such things just happening without thoughts going to that action. Like for example when in meditation, in a place of awareness it is as if sounds come to 'me' well come to awareness rather than the other way around when not in awareness.... (this is in those awareness moments of course). Outside of that, the thought is that attention goes out to the object of sound or of sight.

What is that saying "a knot that will untie"? You didn't answer to this question. Do you agree that this is just a thought and is a thought predicting a future?

Yes, I do agree - a thought predicting a future, just a thought and not necessary to go to its content (or 'promise' of a future)

But is there an experience that the ’now’ is moving along the line of time?

No, not in AR right now.... there's not even a concept of 'now' - it just is what it is...

Any experience of one ‘moment’ giving way to the next?

No not in AE... not even one thing happening after another... just again what is...

Any actual experience of one event following another?

Well this appears to happen, just now, only when after a few moments of just awareness - then a thought pops up and comments on what it thinks has been happening, but without going into the content of that thought and believing it... just one thing giving away for another....

How fast is the ‘present moment’ actually moving?

I don't know or perhaps more precisely 'the present moment isn't actually moving'.. . again it just is and only when 'I' think about it with thoughts of time passing and i look at the time on the computer screen... but the time on the computer is just numbers until "I' give meaning to those numbers though thought reasoning.

Just look at 'this moment', can you find a point where it began?

No.... not in awareness or AE. And I can see thoughts habit of commenting on a beginning... but it feels on the surface of what is not beginning which feels more baseline...

How long does the ‘now’ last?

Well... with no beginning there isn't an end either... just at some point a thought coming up, or a sip of a drink taken, or hearing silence... The 'now' isn't described well by its label 'now'... 'now' doesn't describe 'now' well - shall we tell Eckhart Tolle that!!!!

Where does the ‘now’ start, and where does it end?

It doesn't....

When does the ‘now’ exactly become the 'past'?

It doesn't in fact.... what happens though is that a thought pops up... like just now there was hearing of a bird and the beginning of the 'dawn chorus' so a thought pops up -oh the beginning of something -dawn... and now three minutes later a thought - oh three minutes later, but really that thought has no real meaning - just 'reporting a story'.

What is the ‘past’ in actual experience?

I think I've just said it. The 'past' is the experience of a thought saying it is the past... but in fact the 'past' is as silly as the concept 'now'... But be gebers... my goodness - these experiences which I've never looked at so closely and slowly are concept exploding - in a good way...

So is there actual experience of ‘time’ or thoughts about ‘time’?

I see very clearly - just thoughts about time and again 'time' is just a 'self-made' concept not AE... it has its function though of course in living this life with some usefulness. For example Luisa... today is the beginning of a three day weekend that marks the end say of winter (winter is past, dead, gone, never again!!!!) and I am going away to the countryside where there is no electricity so again I won't be able to respond and I will let you know when I return. During that time, I will watch the concepts around time arising and falling and see if I can see it as clearly around other people as it is 'now'!!! Go well indeed, Sophia

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

Generally, no i don't need thoughts to hear 'clear and accurately'

'Generally'? Please look at this in AE and report back.

Just let me know when you are back and ready to continue.
Enjoy your time,

Love,
Luisa

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa... I am back but off to bed so am happy to look at this question and any others in the morning, Sophia

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

Welcome back!

As my hearing is declining in large groups/noisy environments... then it feels that I need to pay attention more so I've heard what is being said.

How can hearing decline without becoming deaf?

What is telling you that you need to pay attention?

Have noisy environments any negative impact on awareness?

Do you assume that what is being said could have been known?

Generally, no i don't need thoughts to hear 'clear and accurately'

'Generally'? Please look at this in AE and report back.

Love
Luisa

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa... I posted a reply and it didn't stick, so I'll do this again a little later, Sophia

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa, will try again...

What is telling you that you need to pay attention?

There feels a bodily movement or a physical sensation to move closer to the source of sound and there seems to be an intuition that draws attention to the sound... For example right now I can hear a dog barking and because my dog is under the desk, it isn't important that I know if it is my dog or not... I can just hear the sound of barking. Then there is someone else staying and so people are talking in the background - I don't need to know what they're saying so there is just hearing talking. So I've said 'I' several times there. This 'I' doesn't feel like what I have called 'me' in the past... the 'I' feels more an intuition or just a knowing without a subject of 'me'.

Have noisy environments any negative impact on awareness?

LoL... no and nor do quiet or silent ones... AE or awareness doesn't seem to have a view or comment either which way...

'Generally I don't need thoughts to hear 'clear and accurately '? Please look at this in AE and report back.

I can hear a dog barking without thoughts of it, I can hear a man on the phone without thoughts describing it, when thoughts come up describing it, they are just thoughts...

What I have noticed lately is that in the past I have spent quite some time reflecting on AE or awareness out of some curiosity of a 'me' wanting to know about it - rather than just being in AE and knowing directly. There is much less curiosity, or thoughts wanting to 'know about'. I can't say there is more curiosity about knowing directly, rather there are just times of hearing directly or seeing directly and times of experiencing thoughts. In earlier posts I have mentioned begin lost in the content of thoughts - and that still happens and that seems just part of the flow of what is happening in awareness at the time... There are times there is no 'me' concerned about that and times there might be a babbling comment about that and that just seems to be what is at that time. Right now again, these are just comments, no big deal or no small deal either... just what is...

Love indeed,
Sophia

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

I'm sorry, I messed up the quote and the color functions.

As my hearing is declining in large groups/noisy environments... then it feels that I need to pay attention more so I've heard what is being said.

Please answer the questions:
How can hearing decline without becoming deaf?
Do you assume that what is being said could have been known?
Can anything been known instead of what is actually known?

Generally, no i don't need thoughts to hear 'clear and accurately'

Your descriptions let me see that you have already unmasked the illusion of the self, but your language, sometimes, shows that there is still a doubt, a resistance to report what you just SEE in AE.
'Generally'? What does generally mean here?
Do you need thoughts to hear? Please look at this in AE and report back.

There feels a bodily movement or a physical sensation to move closer to the source of sound and there seems to be an intuition that draws attention to the sound... For example right now I can hear a dog barking and because my dog is under the desk, it isn't important that I know if it is my dog or not... I can just hear the sound of barking. Then there is someone else staying and so people are talking in the background - I don't need to know what they're saying so there is just hearing talking. So I've said 'I' several times there. This 'I' doesn't feel like what I have called 'me' in the past... the 'I' feels more an intuition or just a knowing without a subject of 'me'.

Does intuition anything to do with pay attention at all?
Has intuition anything to do with thoughts?
What is intuition in AE?

As you very well know, the character of the self is expressed by 'I', 'me', 'my'.
What is the difference between seeing a car that is correctly parked been crashed by another car, and seeing 'your car' been crashed?

For example right now I can hear a dog barking and because my dog is under the desk, it isn't important that I know if it is my dog or not...

What is the difference between 'my dog' and another dog barking?
What is 'my dog' related to?

I don't need to know what they're saying so there is just hearing talking.

Who doesn't need to know...? Who decides what 'you' need know? Who does or doesn't 'what they're saying' affect?

What I have noticed lately is that in the past I have spent quite some time reflecting on AE or awareness out of some curiosity of a 'me' wanting to know about it - rather than just being in AE and knowing directly. There is much less curiosity, or thoughts wanting to 'know about'. I can't say there is more curiosity about knowing directly, rather there are just times of hearing directly or seeing directly and times of experiencing thoughts. In earlier posts I have mentioned begin lost in the content of thoughts - and that still happens and that seems just part of the flow of what is happening in awareness at the time... There are times there is no 'me' concerned about that and times there might be a babbling comment about that and that just seems to be what is at that time. Right now again, these are just comments, no big deal or no small deal either... just what is...

Sounds great to me Sophia, it is obvious that the shift has started.
Are you still missing something to happen? If someone would said 'that's' all Sophia, would you have any further questions?

Love,
Luisa

[Sophia]

Hi Luisa,

How can hearing decline without becoming deaf?

Biologically my hearing is declining as I get it tested - I turned 65 this week so in some environments, like noisy restaurants hearing is a little more difficult.

Do you assume that what is being said could have been known?

I'm not sure what you're asking in this question so I'll go to the next one.

Can anything been known instead of what is actually known?

This is a great question. There has certainly been the illusion of believing that something can be known from memory or imagination... through this lU process there is no knower... there is the present what is, and if that is thoughts it is thoughts, if that is seeing it is seeing, if that is hearing, it is hearing.

Generally, no i don't need thoughts to hear 'clear and accurately'

'

Generally'? What does generally mean here?

Yes, 'generally' is a term that I use and you will have noticed that I frequently use '...' There are habits. The first one, 'generally' is because I have shied away from absolutes. In the above quote, 'generally' relates to the fact that sometimes because of diminishing hearing ability - the thought will pop up that says - 'listen clearly'... However that thought popping up isn't necessary because now it is a new habit to just naturally concentrate more.

Do you need thoughts to hear? Please look at this in AE and report back.

No absolutely not - in fact hearing is much better without thoughts, because thoughts take 'me' away from hearing. At the moment there are men sanding down a staircase.... and just hearing that sound and feeling the vibrations doesn't need thoughts at all. Thoughts do come and that's fine too...

Luisa, I am aware that during this LU process there is a deconstruction of the illusion of self, so we need to be careful about personal pronouns... and I'm aware that that then becomes cumbersome... so when I use 'me' now - I'm not referring to the illusion of a 'me' but this life form... or whatever it is called, this human life.

Does intuition have anything to do with pay attention at all? Has intuition anything to do with thoughts?
What is intuition in AE?

Perhaps it is easier to respond to the last question first. In AE, intuition feels like the natural response before thinking kicks in... or it is a non-cognitive response... It is a natural response. For example, one of the wonders of this LU process is the need to respond from the moment and not from previous beliefs or memories etc. So there is just a response in the moment without wondering if it is right or wrong, - because those categories don't fit. So this immediate response can be named intuition... I've just read this last sentence again... and I can see that intuition implies that there is a 'me' who has intuition... and that's not the case.

So with this new understanding in mind, in response to the second question above: "Has intuition anything to do with thoughts?" My response is no, it doesn't because intuition doesn't exist. My response is also yes because it is a thought that calls what happens intuition. And in response to the first question: "Does intuition have anything to do with pay attention at all?" No... intuition doesn't exist.

What is the difference between seeing a car that is correctly parked been crashed by another car, and seeing 'your car' been crashed?

Well I am going to have to respond to this question from what first happened when I read it - given it hasn't actually happened. The difference feels like the thoughts that will arise if it is my car will be ones 'saying' there's going to be a whole lot of work required to get it fixed, to borrow a car, to chase up the insurance company etc.... so much emotion involved as well. If it is someone else's car there will be different thoughts that come up - like I hope they have insurance, I hope they can borrow a car etc. What the first lot of thoughts brings to mind is resistance to what is in the moment and the illusion of self going into survival mode... in the second scenario, it is empathy for another and hoping it will work out alright for them...

So the difference would be the investment of 'self' in my own car and emotional attachment from that... that is, if AE isn't experienced during either scenario....

What is the difference between 'my dog' and another dog barking? What is 'my dog' related to?

me me me me me me... all the way home LoL. When I look at my dog now in AE - I can see her and there is pleasure in just the looking without thought... in just being with her, in fact it is 'simpler' to be in AE with her for longer periods than almost anything else..... Thoughts then pop up like, 'our' bond or love or some other sentiments/thoughts - and I can also just be with her in AE and feel those things without needing to name them such.

I don't need to know what they're saying so there is just hearing talking. Who doesn't need to know...?

Right - great question... When i wrote that (and I am right now too) there is a difficulty to name (what is the label) for what is... so in that moment 'awareness' or 'what is' didn't need to know,,, but how to say that without implying there was a 'self' who didn't need to know. If I just sit now with eyes closed and look to see if there is a someone or something who doesn't need to know - I can't find them!

Who decides what 'you' need know? Who does or doesn't 'what they're saying' affect?

No one... thoughts might arise that suggest a 'me' or suggest that a 'me' might be affected... habit thoughts, habit thoughts...

Are you still missing something to happen?

Right now, no. There is nothing to happen... and happening will keep happening...

If someone would said 'that's' all Sophia, would you have any further questions?

Right now, no. I can see that questions do arise, may arise, surely will arise, may not arise... they may need to be asked, they may not... curiosity may arise, it may not arise, doubt may arise, it may not arise, everything may arise, it may not arise... right now - there are no questions... (I did just order Ilona's book though - and one for a friend!!!)

Love and thanks indeed...
Sophia

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

However that thought popping up isn't necessary because now it is a new habit to just naturally concentrate more.

I don't want to discuss wording, but you need to know that the way we put words is very important in how we build false believes and deceiving theories. We are not creating a new habit but discovering an existing ability to SEE. This ability to SEE what IS is due to an openness, the looking is not bounded by thoughts, memories, believes, etc. So 'naturally concentrate' is not what is actually happening.
So please, sit quietly for a few minutes, let the thoughts pass without following them, let hearing, feeling, seeing happen without elaborating. Always in AE. How is this experience? Do experience concentration, focusing or openness and freedom lets say? Please use your own words to describe it.

Yes, 'generally' is a term that I use and you will have noticed that I frequently use '...' There are habits. The first one, 'generally' is because I have shied away from absolutes. In the above quote, 'generally' relates to the fact that sometimes because of diminishing hearing ability - the thought will pop up that says - 'listen clearly'... However that thought popping up isn't necessary because now it is a new habit to just naturally concentrate more.

It is totally reasonable to use the term 'generally' as many others in our conversations, but when describing actual experience shows thinking not seeing. Can you see the difference?
In AE experience there is not absolute, not relative, there is only what IS, is definitely NOT about concepts.
When 'diminishing hearing ability' happen, this IS what happens.
Has the thought 'listen clearly' any power or potentiality to reverse the 'diminishing hearing ability'?

No absolutely not - in fact hearing is much better without thoughts, because thoughts take 'me' away from hearing.

Previosly you answered:

Can anything been known instead of what is actually known?
This is a great question. There has certainly been the illusion of believing that something can be known from memory or imagination... through this lU process there is no knower... there is the present what is, and if that is thoughts it is thoughts, if that is seeing it is seeing, if that is hearing, it is hearing.

While the organ functions correctly hearing NEVER stops, you reported this affirmation in previous messages, are thoughts taking 'you' away from hearing or thoughts is what is happening in that moment?

Luisa, I am aware that during this LU process there is a deconstruction of the illusion of self, so we need to be careful about personal pronouns... and I'm aware that that then becomes cumbersome... so when I use 'me' now - I'm not referring to the illusion of a 'me' but this life form... or whatever it is called, this human life.

As I wrote previously it is very important to know how we use the language. all the words need to be used in order to communicate likely 'I', 'me', 'mine', there is not a problem with this at all. Nevertheless there is a difference between 'thoughts take me away from hearing' and for example 'i can not hear you'. Can you see the implications in the first sentence? Just close your eyes and experience the meaning of those words? Would you say that that sentence is reporting AE or is just a deceiving way of saying?

I apologize for the delay

Love,
Luisa

[Luisa]

Hi Sophia,

I hope everything is fine there.

Anything you may need, please let me know.

Love,
Luisa