Finding Neo, losing Neo

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:43 pm


1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?
No, there is not. This was the core illusion, because there never was any. Only stories and beliefs about an I.
2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, when it starts and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.
As I have described previously, the illusion of separate self is born when parents teach and "give" their illusion of the separateness to their children. A child gets an identity and the "self is born" when the child is capable of perceiving "herself" as separate from others (physically and psychologically). A person is being born. The person then owns every feeling, thought and sense; becomes the illusionary master of everything. Then there are built layers upon layers upon layers that just make the illusion of separate self stronger and stronger.

Some might think that all this is a necessary path to realization that there is no realization, that there never was a me. But then again, "I am" pretty sure that there are children who grow up like this, that there is no me in the way, no separation born ever. Haven't just met any :D


3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.
It doesn't feel anything spectacular really. No fireworks or dramatic feelings of joy or anything majestical. It just is. There are just things, thoughts, happenings, life going on.
But in a sense, everything is in ease. Feelings of being lighter. No need to attach to any thought or believe any story. So I guess I could say that life is a bit easier now :)

Resistance seems to be non-existent. Only some resistance arising when there is a contradiction on how the body feels and what would "need to be done or achieved" in any given day. But those come and go too. No attachments.

And yes, one more thing. Everything is a bit more vibrant. A bit more living. The moment is more clear. (hard to describe in words)
4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?
The drop off the ego (label). That there is no ego! That the ego is another fiction, another story of the mind, a collective one. "I" actually laughed really hard when there was this looking "behind" the ego. PUFF. Dropped.
5) Can you talk about decision, intention, free will, choice and control? What makes things happen? How does it work? What are you responsible for? Give examples from experience.
No-one to do anything. No-one to decide anything, no-one to intend anything, no-one to want anything or control anything. All illusion. All these are just labels, nouns, that point to something that would need a "doer" who does all these, but that is an illusion too. Nothing makes things happen, they just happen. I am not responsible fro anything, since there is no I. Of course you cannot kill or harm a person and "you" would be taken responsible for that kind of an action, but that wasn't the idea of the question.

When "I" watch carefully how the life unfolds in every moment all that there is are reactions to actions; this means that everything is energy - a thought appears out of nowhere, it is being interperated and an acftion might follow. Or an action happens and a thought follows. No rules on that one. An emotion rises (due to a reaction to an energy in a room, or next to another human being or whatever), a thought might arise or not, a reaction might arise or not. Just a flow of life without anyone actually doing anything. Another example is a feeling of hunger - no I needed to do that. Then behavior that supports the physiology of the body (or that does not support it, either way). hunger -> eat. Tired -> sleep. Thirsty -> drink. etc. etc. These are basic physiological functions that only need the brain (and the body of course), but no-one.

6) Anything to add?
Gratefulness. Peace. Love for everything. <3

Thank you for this guidance.

And oh yes, one more thing. There are no moments. Because a moment would be separated from another moment, which would mean that there would be boundaries somewhere (in time?). No moments, just this. There is actually no time either, just this. Because time is also illusion. The me lives in time (either in the past, or the future). So when the I drops, also the time drops.

This just came from somewhere, had to write it down. :)

Much love.
Love <3

Btw, love cannot be sent, because it is everywhere in everything. Sending would mean, that there would be bordered entities who would not be in connection to one another. So no need to send it. It also just is. All is love. All life is love.

Isn't it weird now to say "I love you"? :D Feels weird. An illusion loves an illusion? huh... But "I" guess that there still needs to be pronouns as there are verbs and nouns.

But, I get "your point" on it and the love is here <3

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby Ilona » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:02 pm

Thank you for clear answers! I can see that something happened, something looks different.. great :)
One thing tha stood out is this:
I am not responsible fro anything, since there is no I.
That sounds like a logical conclusion and a faulty one. Since there is no i, what is this i that is not responsible? This sounds like denial of responsibility, based on assumption that you do not exist. Can you see that? What is this I that is not responsible? What is the i that can be responsible? Responsibility as a faculty does not cease. If you have a child or a pet, you know, that is your responsibility to feed them. No? That's just natural. I bet you would not walk away from a hungry child if something is more fun than caring about them. Being human does not end with seeing that what was thought to be you is not you.

I know the language is tricky and it is the very building block of illusion, but denying responsibility based on conclusion that I does not exist is same as saying I am not hungry since there is no i. Hm. Can you see?

Observe deeper and write more about responsibility whatever feels true to you.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:21 pm

I am not responsible fro anything, since there is no I.
That sounds like a logical conclusion and a faulty one. Since there is no i, what is this i that is not responsible? This sounds like denial of responsibility, based on assumption that you do not exist. Can you see that? What is this I that is not responsible? What is the i that can be responsible? Responsibility as a faculty does not cease. If you have a child or a pet, you know, that is your responsibility to feed them. No? That's just natural. I bet you would not walk away from a hungry child if something is more fun than caring about them. Being human does not end with seeing that what was thought to be you is not you.

I know the language is tricky and it is the very building block of illusion, but denying responsibility based on conclusion that I does not exist is same as saying I am not hungry since there is no i. Hm. Can you see?

Observe deeper and write more about responsibility whatever feels true to you.
Did you read what I wrote after that? Tricky language, as you said here. "I" definitely don't mean that I (as a body, as a person, as a living human being) am not responsible for the things "I" do or the thoughts that appear on "my" consciousness, emotions etc. What was meant that there is no one/I to be responsible.

So yes, I surely can see that.

"I" have a child (1.5 years old), beautiful girl. And a wife. And the family to feed, to take care of. "I" have a company to take care of (this characeter is the CEO of it). Patients to take care of (loving the job as an M.D.). Things are appearing and happening, choices are made, actions are taken. Whatever life brings in front :)

So yes, of course there are responsibilities in life. Funny that "you" really thought that this would be somehow escapism for "me" :O but of course, since you don't know "me" in person, things like this has to be made sure.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby Ilona » Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:47 pm

I just want to be sure that you arrived at knowing, rather than logical conclusions. There is a huge difference between intellectual understanding and seeing this as obvious in experience.

So.... welcome home!
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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:18 pm

I just want to be sure that you arrived at knowing, rather than logical conclusions. There is a huge difference between intellectual understanding and seeing this as obvious in experience.

Yes! A huge difference. I read throught our conversation. It felt like peeling of an onion until the core was revealed. Some crying in the middle also 😅

Today was really a test day. People firing up to this character in facebook, through the email, via phone and finally here. Last night pur daughter woke up several times, got to sleep at around 4-5 AM. Still calmnessa.
All testing if this looking was actually real, was anything really happening? Pointing out to the "self", identification or believing in it or not. I feel no attachment to any illusion of the self; there is no need to defend the character or own any feelings or thoughts. Thoughts and emotions arise, but they don't attach to anything.

Funny how all these happened just today 🙈😆
Life brings in front what "you" need at the moment 🙏
So.... welcome home!
Thank you! ❤️

Now there is a feeling of freedom deep inside. A wonderful joy for the life here on Earth 🙏

Thank you for this process. Thank you for helping so many.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby Ilona » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:02 pm

Sounds that you are having a testing day, tests coming through all the different places. What do you see that life is saying? Are there other selves that want something from you?
The non attachment to thoughts and feelings is a nice aftereffect.
Have your expectations about this process been fulfilled?
How does the search look now?


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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:05 pm

Sounds that you are having a testing day, tests coming through all the different places. What do you see that life is saying? Are there other selves that want something from you?
Nobody really want anything from me (except the usual work stuff, vacation about to end) just tests how "I" react to different situations and go on with life. There are people or rather life testing how some beliefs that have been carefully built during this lifetime affect "me", e.g. give rise to sensations, feelings and thoughts.

Some emotions of unfairness have arisen, thought patterns telling a story. But rather than owning those, there has been some kind of following where they take "me". Looking around the fear. Facing it and then just melting away. Fear of nothing.

"I" ended up crying just to release some old energy that has been going on with these beliefs and thought patterns. Releasing, letting go.
The non attachment to thoughts and feelings is a nice aftereffect.
Have your expectations about this process been fulfilled?
How does the search look now?
No expectations. There were some, but now dropped off. It seems that some kind of process will unfold until all beliefs are destroyed. Or not. I can't know that :)

No search. Nothing to search.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:11 pm

And one more thing:
I don't see any other selves either. This is interesting. Just the characters, stories, others' beliefs and thought patterns.

There is still still this subtle wish, that every human being could go trough this process of looking, seeing through the illusion. Everything in the world would be so much easier. No separation. Probably no wars. Peace.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:24 pm

And now... it feels that the old life is being ripped off. Bit by bit. A heavy ride, today went deep into the "hole". There are feelings of being born again. Like a child. It also feels best to be with "my" child. The connection is so strong. Nothing in-between. No words are needed. Deep understanding. No language (yet) in the way of the interaction.
Never felt like this before! ❤️
I feel like falling... to somewhere unknown but still yet familiar. Hard to describe in words. Heart is filling. Gratitude. Oneness or not oneness. That doesn't make any sense either. Just labels. A shift would be the word to best describe this.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby Ilona » Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:05 pm

That's it...
falling, yeah..
nowhere to land.
Old ways no longer make sense.
Rebirth.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Wed Aug 09, 2017 9:25 am

That's it...
falling, yeah..
nowhere to land.
Old ways no longer make sense.
Rebirth.

Hugs
Still in the hole, old beliefs bursting into the surface to get smashed! Some emotional energy rushing also, releasing. Crying. Smiling. Just flowing, no attachments.

Today a test day again - feels like never before 😍

Hugs & kisses ❤️🎉

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby Ilona » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:35 pm

Oh yeah, the clean up process. All old beliefs are going to come up to be seen and dropped. This can be intense.
Holding on to ideas can be painful.
What else is ready to be seen?
Write what you are going through.
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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:38 pm

Oh yeah, the clean up process. All old beliefs are going to come up to be seen and dropped. This can be intense.
Holding on to ideas can be painful.
What else is ready to be seen?
Write what you are going through.
Much love.
There was this clear look of this person, this character "from outside". No identification. This is new!
This character/person just went on and had this meeting with a millionaire who might invest to our company. No emotions. Not even a bit of anxiety that usually has been there. That dropped off in the morning with some crying as the emotional energy came to the surface to be released. This body feels lighter. Easier. Like been having a good psychedelic trip with emotional burden dropped off :)

Behavioral patterns that have been deeply coded into this character are now coming to the surface more obviously. There is just this soft watching of how things unfold. No forcing.

At the moment feeling peace, at ease. Warmth. Love. Colors. Glowing. Like new energy being released for use.

This writing helps to bring the subjective feelings/emotions/thoughts into objective "item" to just observe and analyse.

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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby Ilona » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:17 pm

What a trip!
:)

Is there any doubt at all?
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Re: Finding Neo, losing Neo

Postby LostNeo » Wed Aug 09, 2017 8:38 pm

What a trip!
:)

Is there any doubt at all?
No :)


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