Bobu's journey

[Bobu]

I'm reading your instructions.
I heard a jet fly by.
I see the sun beaming through the window.
I see the screen on which I'm typing this exercise.
I see my paintings in my room.
i see the cup of coffee.
Im drinking some coffee.
I taste the sugar in the coffee.
I hear the sound of the cup hitting the nightstand.
Im seeing my guitar...
I hear the dog barking.
I see the dog looking out the door.
I hear another jet flying by.
I can't see the jet.
Im scratching my arm.
Im sitting up straight.
I see what time it says on my tablet.
I hear the dog bark again.
I see I must do laundry tomorrow.

Reading your instructions.
Heard jet fly by
See the sun beaming through the window
Seeing the screen on which typing these exercises

Seeing paintings in room
Seeing the cup of coffee
Drinking some coffee
Tasting sugar in the coffee
Hearing the sound of the cup hitting the nightstand
Hearing the dog bark.
Seeing the dog looking out the door.
Hearing another jet fly by.
Can't see the jet.
Scratching arm.
Sitting up straight.
Seeing what time it says on tablet.
Hearing the dog bark again.
Seeing laundry needs doing.

[forgetmenot]

Great! So when you dropped the "I", how did it feel? What did you notice?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay........I noticed the change from a noun to a verb...and the I ,me disapearence made no difference to the discription of the action..it felt more accurate and freer....
Thanks Kay

[forgetmenot]

I noticed the change from a noun to a verb...and the I ,me disapearence made no difference to the discription of the action..it felt more accurate and freer....

Can the “I” or “me” that any thought refers to actually be found/located? Can an "I" that is supposedly thinking be found or is thinking just happening?

Let's take a closer a look at the nature of thought.

Find a TV team sport on TV or a Youtube clip that lasts for at least 5 minutes. The following link is to a game of soccer, but if you prefer another sport…please feel free to find one to do this exercise with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIFUhW3zO5Q

1. Watch one minute with the sound turned OFF, watching ‘people’ messing about with a round thing on a field, up and down, up and down. Let it sink in, the whole experience.

2. Once the first minute is completed, now watch another whole minute with the commentary turned ON.

Notice the differences. Notice how the commentator (aka thought) offers lots of know-how, even advice, seems to feel as though they can influence somehow what is going on, as though one outcome is much preferred to the opposite outcome, the commentary may seem to heighten any supporter feelings which are there, and call for an identification with one team or other, and with the importance of the game itself.

3. Now turn the volume OFF AGAIN and just watch the action with NO audible commentary, the shapes moving around on the screen etc. Again notice all the differences in what is appearing as experience.

4. Now turn the volume ON again and ignore what you think you know thought is talking about, and just notice it as sound.

Let me know what you notice when you turn the sound on and off, and without thought, what is actually appearing/happening etc?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Can the “I” or “me” that any thought refers to actually be found/located? Can an "I" that is supposedly thinking be found or is thinking just happening?

I can't find anyone that's doing the thinking.....theres....just thought going on.....

The game.....i looked at soccer...sound off...shapes colors and running every which way with a ball as some sort of thing to chase
Sound on.....it was a war between 2 countries......voices excited and very seriously describing things that appeared important to the speakers...life and death important....the sound of thousands of people cheering and emotionally involved....all the time advertising going on...in a tempo with the emotional influence......
Just sound.....thoughts having no relevance whatsoever...very judgmental and excited about the importance of their thoughts...
Sound off....shapes and colours moving around with no apparent direction with a whitish shape to chase.....

Jesus christ....this is such a manipulation of the thinker in millions of selves......conditioning.......
Thank you Kay......this was a wild way to isolate the parts of this display.....

[forgetmenot]

Hello Bobu,

Can the “I” or “me” that any thought refers to actually be found/located? Can an "I" that is supposedly thinking be found or is thinking just happening?

I can't find anyone that's doing the thinking.....theres....just thought going on.....

So is there an “I” that can “for a short period change the thoughts that I awaken with...but not for a whole day”?

The game.....i looked at soccer...sound off...shapes colors and running every which way with a ball as some sort of thing to chase

And is not the ball also just colour?

Sound on.....it was a war between 2 countries......voices excited and very seriously describing things that appeared important to the speakers...life and death important....the sound of thousands of people cheering and emotionally involved....all the time advertising going on...in a tempo with the emotional influence......
Just sound.....thoughts having no relevance whatsoever...very judgmental and excited about the importance of their thoughts...

Was there a “war between 2 countries” or just thoughts appearing telling a story about colour/shapes and sound?

Are there “voices excited and very seriously describing things that appeared important to speakers” or is that just another appearing thought about sound labelled ‘voices?

Sound off....shapes and colours moving around with no apparent direction with a whitish shape to chase.....

Did you notice how the muted video left you rather neutral towards the apparent happenings on screen, while the commentary version of the game kind of sucked you into the story that the commentator was telling?

See how thought seems to be the predominant experience, however, if you just allow (watch/observe) thought without actually following thought, you see that thought is just a constant stream of commentary that has a story about everything, and how it overlays actual experience continuously with stories.

So can you see how thought does the same with the colour labelled ‘Bobu’ and ‘his life’?

Jesus christ....this is such a manipulation of the thinker in millions of selves......conditioning.......

Where exactly is this ‘thinker’? Where is it located?

Thought says that the foot is ‘down there’. So presumably you are above your foot. Where are you? Sit quietly, close your eyes, take a few breaths and locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

So is there an “I” that can “for a short period change the thoughts that I awaken with...but not for a whole day”?

Actually I can't say there is an I doing the changing....the thoughts are replaced with a pleasant picture and words to accompany the pictures......

And is not the ball also just colour?

Absolutely its a colour shape that moves....ball is a thought....

Was there a “war between 2 countries” or just thoughts appearing telling a story about colour/shapes and sound?

There was writing....that said USA vs mexico....my thought was what I was seeing at that point ....so yes shapes , colour and sound is what I saw.and heard.....

Are there “voices excited and very seriously describing things that appeared important to speakers” or is that just another appearing thought about sound labelled ‘voices?

Absolutely it was thoughts that made the description of the sounds.....

Did you notice how the muted video left you rather neutral towards the apparent happenings on screen, while the commentary version of the game kind of sucked you into the story that the commentator was telling?

Yes it held no meaning other than observing movements.....the commentary hooked my attention....and subsequent thinking ensued....imidiatly.....

So can you see how thought does the same with the colour labelled ‘Bobu’ and ‘his life’?

Yes I'm looking at a colour....and thought says it's my foot........bobu s foot.......im feeling resistence here observing this

Thought says that the foot is ‘down there’. So presumably you are above your foot. Where are you? Sit quietly, close your eyes, take a few breaths and locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?

That's funny , i just did the foot before I read this........lol....i cant sense an edge only a sensation where the bed makes contact...it feel very deep inside like an energy or vibration ...high frequency....im in the chest heart area....in the middle of the energy....

Thank you Kay this was awsome guidence.....very clear.....xoxo....bobu....

[forgetmenot]

Hi Bobu,

You're doing a great job in LOOKING...thank you :)

So is there an “I” that can “for a short period change the thoughts that I awaken with...but not for a whole day”?

Actually I can't say there is an I doing the changing....the thoughts are replaced with a pleasant picture and words to accompany the pictures......

Lovely, so is there anyone/anything that is authoring or controlling thought in any shape or form, or do thoughts just appear?

Was there a “war between 2 countries” or just thoughts appearing telling a story about colour/shapes and sound?

There was writing....that said USA vs mexico....my thought was what I was seeing at that point ....so yes shapes , colour and sound is what I saw.and heard.....

And is the ‘writing’ also not just colour which thought describes as ‘writing/words’? How is it known that these words are written forms of thought....because a thought says so?

Did you notice how the muted video left you rather neutral towards the apparent happenings on screen, while the commentary version of the game kind of sucked you into the story that the commentator was telling?

Yes it held no meaning other than observing movements.....the commentary hooked my attention....and subsequent thinking ensued....imidiatly.....

Yes! :) And did you notice that the commentary was usually always after the event had already happened, or it was speculation about what may happen (future), but it was never right in the moment of when it was happening?

So can you see how thought does the same with the colour labelled ‘Bobu’ and ‘his life’?

Yes I'm looking at a colour....and thought says it's my foot........bobu s foot.......im feeling resistence here observing this

Okay, so let’s look at resistance.

The label ‘resistance’ is the AE of thought and not the AE of resistance
The thoughts about resistance are AE of thought and not the AE of resistance
The sensation labelled ‘resistance’ is the AE of sensation and not the AE of resistance
The image labelled ‘body/me’ is the AE of colour and not the AE of resistance.

So, can anyone/anything be found that is in ‘resistance’, or what is actually appearing is label + sensation + colour + thoughts about resistance?

Thought says that the foot is ‘down there’. So presumably you are above your foot. Where are you? Sit quietly, close your eyes, take a few breaths and locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?

That's funny , i just did the foot before I read this........lol....i cant sense an edge only a sensation where the bed makes contact...it feel very deep inside like an energy or vibration ...high frequency....im in the chest heart area....in the middle of the energy....

Okay, so I would like for you to close the eyes then place a fingertip on top of the head. Now IGNORE ALL thoughts and images of fingertip and head and what is the actual experience?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Lovely, so is there anyone/anything that is authoring or controlling thought in any shape or form, or do thoughts just appear?

No ....no author....they rise and fall....

And is the ‘writing’ also not just colour which thought describes as ‘writing/words’? How is it known that these words are written forms of thought....because a thought says so?

Lol......yep. just shapes of colour that a thought attached meaning to......

Yes! :) And did you notice that the commentary was usually always after the event had already happened, or it was speculation about what may happen (future), but it was never right in the moment of when it was happening?

Yes the commentary was always in back or in front of the movements.....past and possible future happenings....never in the now...

So, can anyone/anything be found that is in ‘resistance’, or what is actually appearing is label + sensation + colour + thoughts about resistance?/quote]

You nailed it ...a thought labeled a sensation as resistence.....this is really wild.....thoughts are believed....accurate or not...meaning is applied.... its like they are hypnotic suggestions......fucking hell.....

Okay, so I would like for you to close the eyes then place a fingertip on top of the head. Now IGNORE ALL thoughts and images of fingertip and head and what is the actual experience?

A sensation.....no finger no head...just a sensation...everything else disappeared just that was AE......LOL.....

Thank you so very much Kay....this was really fun.....i attached that meaning to this AE....LOLOLOLOL.......XOXOXO...

[forgetmenot]

Hi Bobu,

Lovely, so is there anyone/anything that is authoring or controlling thought in any shape or form, or do thoughts just appear?

No ....no author....they rise and fall....

Yes, so there is no one/ no thing that owns thoughts either!

And is the ‘writing’ also not just colour which thought describes as ‘writing/words’? How is it known that these words are written forms of thought....because a thought says so?

Lol......yep. just shapes of colour that a thought attached meaning to......

Shapes are just different patterns of colour, there is only colour.

So, can anyone/anything be found that is in ‘resistance’, or what is actually appearing is label + sensation + colour + thoughts about resistance?/quote]

You nailed it ...a thought labeled a sensation as resistence.....this is really wild.....thoughts are believed....accurate or not...meaning is applied.... its like they are hypnotic suggestions......fucking hell.....

What exactly is it that is ‘believing in thoughts’? Belief is a thought, thought is not belief.

Okay, so I would like for you to close the eyes then place a fingertip on top of the head. Now IGNORE ALL thoughts and images of fingertip and head and what is the actual experience?

A sensation.....no finger no head...just a sensation...everything else disappeared just that was AE......LOL.....

Yes, precisely! Nice LOOKING :)

Okay, so redo the following exercise:

Thought says that the foot is ‘down there’. So presumably you are above your foot. Where are you? Sit quietly, close your eyes, take a few breaths and locate where you feel yourself to be. Locate yourself vertically in the body, horizontally to the left or right, and depth, how far in. Feel how big you are, where you reside. Then point with a finger to ‘you’. Open your eyes, where is your finger pointing?

Thank you so very much Kay....this was really fun.....i attached that meaning to this AE

What exactly is it that is “attaching meaning”? Is not “I attached that meaning to this AE” not just another appearing thought?


So let’s have a look at the idea of control/choice and decisions.

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.
Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts, examine the actual experience. Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire…

How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay...t0

What exactly is it that is “attaching meaning”? Is not “I attached that meaning to this AE” not just another appearing thought?

Sure is...just another thought.....

How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

I read the exercise ....put my hand out and it flipped over and over and over....no thought...as a matter of fact it was ongoing as I read these questions
A thought didn't control it.....im stunned......
Im looking and cant find a controller ....maybe an impulse...that sounds like a thought though....it just happened...
Honestly I don't see a decision...just a direct activity from will or a source I can't locate...none the less its moving...
No I can't find a source ...a seperate source controlling anything.....ive been looking at the things I do In the garden and in the house all day and I see it all just happens......this is a strange discovery.........
Thank you Kay...huggs....feeling happy and greatfull....xoxo

[forgetmenot]

Hi Bobu,

Im looking and cant find a controller ....maybe an impulse...that sounds like a thought though....it just happened...
Honestly I don't see a decision...just a direct activity from will or a source I can't locate...none the less its moving...
No I can't find a source ...a seperate source controlling anything.....ive been looking at the things I do In the garden and in the house all day and I see it all just happens......this is a strange discovery.........

Wonderful LOOKING! :)

Thank you Kay...huggs....feeling happy and greatfull....xoxo

My pleasure..however all I am doing is pointing...you are doing the LOOKING...and you are doing that so well!

Okay…so you have seen that there is no controller….so now let’s look at decisions/choices.

The aim of the following exercise is to discover whether the function of choice can really be found or confirmed in actual experience. The idea of making ‘choices‘ is a very clear example of a function that we wrongly identify as the basis of our identity.

Here's what’s needed - A chair, a table and two different drinks. Any two drinks you like are okay for this: coffee, tea, milk, water, juices, smoothies, beer, wine, etc.

Preparation - Place the two drinks side by side on the table in front of you, sit comfortably on the chair and mentally label them as drink A and drink B.

Experiment - Finding the function of choice

Sit for a few moments, take a few relaxed breaths and let the dust settle. When you feel ready:

1. Look at drink A and at drink B. Think about their respective qualities, the things you like about them, compare and weigh the pros and cons of each. See if a preference is manifesting for one or the other.
2. Count to 5.
3. Choose one of the drinks. Pick it up and take a sip.

Questions:
Remember that we’re looking for some kind of function, a something, an ‘I’ which is doing the ‘choosing’.

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

Love, Kay
xx

[Bobu]

Hi Kay, got home late tonight.....ill post tomorrow....love , bobu

[Bobu]

Hi dearest Kay..........

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

They appeared with out consideration of any kind......

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

the counting went on and the preference remained just slightly in the background but unchanged....i saw no CHOOSER. I instently wanted the water........it was there when I looked...with out any additional function.....no I made the choice its was just made....

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

No I didn't and I red these last night but was too pooped to write ..but they remained in mind all day..i saw things happen all day with out any help from a so called me. This being needs no I to do anything...its life that just unfolds like a sunrise.....

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

No a feeling is a sensation coupled with a thought at times.....it does no choosing ...it does feeling ...thats all...im really stunned that all this time I heard about choices.... I never believed I made any......this exercise really drives it home....solid....

Thank you Kay....bobu is speechless...what ever he is ..it ain't no chooser...xoxo....the mystery unfolds......lolololol.......love you....where are you located on this globe...?

[forgetmenot]

Hey Bobu

What a great post to read….thank you for being so willing and open to LOOK…it makes guiding such a pleasure.

No I didn't and I red these last night but was too pooped to write ..but they remained in mind all day..i saw things happen all day with out any help from a so called me.

Yes! So, let’s just cement that with the following.

So, do you have any choice, whatsoever, about what you're aware of?
If you think that you do, think about this:
If thoughts say, "I can change what I'm aware of by closing my eyes", and suddenly eyes seem to close, and you are aware of only colour black.

Did you REALLY have any choice about being aware of all of that?
Did you have any choice about being aware of the thoughts, or the apparent closing of eyes, or the colour black?
Could you have chosen not to have thoughts about closing eyes?
Could you have chosen for the colour to be green instead?
If you can't choose what you're aware of, then what else is there to choose?
And if you can’t choose what you are aware of, is there a ‘doer’?

This being needs no I to do anything...its life that just unfolds like a sunrise.....

What “being” would you actually be referring to? Can you find a “being” anywhere?

....where are you located on this globe...?

I come from the land Downunder – Australia, mate! :)

Much love,
Kay
xx