The Gate

Hi JustBe,

Great, here they are.

Please answer from first-hand experience and in your own words.

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

3) How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Please try to describe the process as best you can, even if gropingly. Don't forget to give some practical examples from your everyday experience (even if there is no real 'you’). What are you responsible for?

6) Anything to add?

Looking forwards to read your post!

Love Lunamaya

Hi Lunamaya,

Thank you for the questions. I would just like to let you know that I am having a couple of very busy days; not at home a lot. I hope to be able to write to you on Thursday.

Love,

Ella

Fine Ella,

Thanks for letting me know. Wishing you good days!

With Love, lunamaya

1) Is there a separate entity 'self', 'me' 'I', at all, anywhere, in any way, shape or form? Was there ever?

There is no a separate self that can be found. Was there ever? Anywhere? Ever, past, future, anywhere, etc., are words, concepts, thoughts, or stories. There is no a separate entity “self”.

2) Explain in detail what the illusion of separate self is, and how it works from your own experience. Describe it fully as you see it now.

Not sure how to describe it; It’s a mind’s habit. Whatever comes to mind about the illusion of a separate self can be questioned, and it’s not really true. Let’s say it is in a way forgetting about the truth; it is getting caught in thoughts and stories. There is thinking; then, some thoughts are followed by thoughts about thoughts; there are some memories and stories coming along. Then, the stories seem to be true; there is no clear seeing; there is just this taught-created “world”. Maybe, it is like getting caught in a movie; you forget you are in the movies; you identify with one of the characters or whatever happens in the movie; you get caught in it; you forget about everything else including the screen.

How does it feel to see this? What is the difference from before you started this dialogue? Please report from the past few days.

It changes from moment to moment; light, funny, peace, then oops, getting caught in thoughts about how to connect seeing to serving/ using the time that is left in the best way (it’s not not a DE); trusting, accepting, peaceful…more fun, not taking things personally, just being aware…
There was more struggling, frustration, judging, and getting caught in negative thoughts before starting this dialogue.

4) What was the last bit that pushed you over, made you look?

There was just more and more clear seeing coming or happening gradually; or happening with each set of questions/ comments; it feels like the memory of seeing/ the ability of seeing came back in spite of the moments of still habitually getting caught in the illusion. There is no recollection of being pushed over; there was no sense of being pushed over; just seeing clearly while being asked to look/respond.

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Please try to describe the process as best you can, even if gropingly. Don't forget to give some practical examples from your everyday experience (even if there is no real 'you’). What are you responsible for?

It doesn’t feel like controlling anything, or making anything to happen. It feels more like allowing things to happen/ accepting things to happen (that would happen anyway). It is more knowing what to do; being aware of what is happening; noticing the sensations and thinking, and just accepting. Just seeing/ being aware. Everyday experience? Someone says something that is followed by lots of thoughts and sensations; there is no reaction; there is accepting and responding. What can you be responsible for if there is nobody to responsible? On the other side, speaking "I" language, I feel responsible for seeing; I have this drive to see dipper that I want to honor.

6) Anything to add?

Nothing to add right now

Much love,

Ella

Hi Ella!
Great!

Thank you for the answers!

It has in my eyes been a nice, gradual process. Although I saw major change after opening up to talking about experience and feelings in daily life.

Maybe, it is like getting caught in a movie; you forget you are in the movies; you identify with one of the characters or whatever happens in the movie; you get caught in it; you forget about everything else including the screen.

I like this analogue!


This bit below is somewhat confusing for me to read, because it looks as if there is a separateness, a owner of feelings/ thoughts, actions, could you take a good look please and see what you think?

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Please try to describe the process as best you can, even if gropingly. Don't forget to give some practical examples from your everyday experience (even if there is no real 'you’). What are you responsible for?

It is more knowing what to do;

Can there allso be "not knowing what to do"?

On the other side, speaking "I" language, I feel responsible for seeing; I have this drive to see dipper that I want to honor.

Who is responsible for seeing? Can you say some more about how this is seen?
Who has a drive? What does this "I" you mention consist of?
What is the bit that wants to honor and what does it want to honor?

Please take time to have a good look at this, while it is of big importance in the process that there is no doubt and clear looking in this bit.

Thank you.

Love Lunamaya

Hey Ella.

Are you Oké?
Do you see a chance giving a respons to mt last reactions?

Love lunamaya

Hi Lunamaya,

I apologize for taking time again; Women March in Chicago and related events;

Thank you for the questions. Yes, there is some separateness in the answers; It seems like shrinking and expanding; or clear seeing and not seeing; just happening.

5) Do you decide, intend, choose, control events in life? Do you make anything happen? Please try to describe the process as best you can, even if gropingly. Don't forget to give some practical examples from your everyday experience (even if there is no real 'you’). What are you responsible for?

It is more knowing what to do;

Can there allso be "not knowing what to do"?

Knowing or not knowing involves "who" or "I" illusion; who knows or doesn't know? There is nobody who knows or doesn't know to be found.

Who is responsible for seeing? Can you say some more about how this is seen?
Who has a drive? What does this "I" you mention consist of?
What is the bit that wants to honor and what does it want to honor?

There is nobody responsible for seeing. There just seeing.
During work or some events, a separateness happens. (Reflection)
Nobody has a drive. There is a story about drive; there are thoughts about it.
There is just seeing, then separateness, then seeing again. There is nobody to believe in that separateness though.
There are just stories about “I”; thoughts about “I.”
There are thoughts about honoring; no “bit” to be found.

Thank you.

Love,
JustBe

Hi JustBe,
Its fine. Sorry for my rush ;)

Thank you for the questions. Yes, there is some separateness in the answers; It seems like shrinking and expanding; or clear seeing and not seeing; just happening.

I love this! Yes, thats good to say. Its allso just happening. But ist of importance it is seen. So if there is selving going on, witch probably keeps on going on for at least a while, it needs to be seen, otherwise you will believe in it. Thats a big difference. If you believe in it, it makes you feel separated.

There is nobody responsible for seeing. There just seeing.
During work or some events, a separateness happens. (Reflection)
Nobody has a drive. There is a story about drive; there are thoughts about it.
There is just seeing, then separateness, then seeing again. There is nobody to believe in that separateness though.

Thats exactly what I just mend.

lovely!
So this all needs to be absolutely clear to make sure the selving is not believed in. What do you think? Is this clear enough?
Is there any point in the day where it feels like there is still a story where is believed in? Can you look if you have points where it is sticky? What really bothers you, where its difficult to see its a separation?

Love Lunanaya

Hello Luna,

Much love to you!

Its fine. Sorry for my rush ;)

I didn’t feel rushed. I actually responded before I noticed your “rush” (Ha! Ha!)
I appreciate what you are doing for "me" (smile)/with me (smile) so much!

So this all needs to be absolutely clear to make sure the selving is not believed in. What do you think? Is this clear enough?
Is there any point in the day where it feels like there is still a story where is believed in? Can you look if you have points where it is sticky? What really bothers you, where its difficult to see its a separation?

It is clear enough right now.
It is sticky sometimes though (I love the word "sticky" to name it!). There is a separateness sometimes. Or, maybe it is only a story about separateness happening sometimes . Well, there is no story to believe/ that is believable right now. What if I write you when a separateness happens? Would it be OK? Yes, it all needs to be absolutely clear.

Love,

JustBe

Hi JustBe,

I appreciate what you are doing for "me" (smile)/with me (smile) so much!

it is special to be in this with you!!!

It is clear enough right now.
It is sticky sometimes though (I love the word "sticky" to name it!). There is a separateness sometimes. Or, maybe it is only a story about separateness happening sometimes . Well, there is no story to believe/ that is believable right now. What if I write you when a separateness happens? Would it be OK? Yes, it all needs to be absolutely clear.

Its fine and I think you will find places in the "aftercare" groups, you'll see your not the only one with sticky bits ;)
I will be around if there is things you would like to look into with me.

For now i will ask if there are any specific questions from other guides or if they have pointers to look into before we close the thread.

Love Lunamaya

Hi JustBe,

Here is a question from one of the other guides what might be interesting to have a look at:

Is there still some spiritual search going on?
And if yes, what is missing?

Looking forwards to read your post.

Love Lunamaya

I will be around if there is things you would like to look into with me.

Thank you so much! How am I going to be able to contact you when you close the thread though?

Is there still some spiritual search going on?
And if yes, what is missing?

Thank you so much for the question! There is no spiritual search going on. No seeking. There is nothing missing. (What a relief! Ha! Ha!)

Love,

Ella

Wonderful! There are no more questions from me or other guides concerning the insight of no separed I.
It sounds good and great you feel clear enough. "After" will certainly give you new opportunities to look in different bits of the unfolding.

Good to read there is no searching going on!

I will pm you with some suggestions for the after and you will receive a mail from the admin to welcome you!

Lots of love and light,

Lunamaya!

Thank you so much!
Lots of love and light to you too,

JustBe