The Gate

Happy New Year, Hesam! (Sorry, I forgot to say that in my last post :))

Is it ‘pressure’, or it is sensation which thought THEN labels ‘pressure’?

It is a sensation, which thought then labels 'pressure'.

Yes! So it is clearly seen that thought does not come from sensation and sensation does not come from thought, that they seemingly appear 'simultaneously'?

So let's try these exercises again :)

It is generally believed that thoughts are coming from the head somewhere around the forehead. When we try to trace back the origin of a thought, it is often believed that it's coming from the forehead, because the attention automatically goes to the sensation of the forehead. Investigate this carefully as often as you can throughout the day.

What is the forehead in the actual experience?
A sensation + a mental image (of a forehead), + thoughts about a forehead, right?

So, can a thought come from a sensation?
Can a thought come from a mental image?
Can a thought come from a thought?


Have a very deep look here... the forehead is one of the 'residence' of the SENSE of self. Or rather say, the sensation that is labelled as forehead is believed to be one of the location of the sense of self.

Furthermore, it's also believed that both the 'visual sight' and 'mental images' are coming from the eyes, because when it's investigated the attention automatically goes to the sensation 'of the eyes', and at the same time the image 'of the eyes' appear with it.

So another SENSE of self is linked to the sensation 'of the eyes'.

What are the eyes in the actual experience?
A sensation + mental image + thought about eyes, right?

Can sight come from a sensation?
Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?
Can sight come from thought?

Can a 'mental image' come from a sensation?
Can a 'mental image' come from another mental image (of the eyes)?
Can a 'mental image' come from a thought?

Much love, Kay
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Happy New Year, Hesam! (Sorry, I forgot to say that in my last post :))

Happy New Year, Kay! :)

Yes! So it is clearly seen that thought does not come from sensation and sensation does not come from thought, that they seemingly appear 'simultaneously'?

Yes exactly, the word 'simultaneously' expresses it good.

What is the forehead in the actual experience?
A sensation + a mental image (of a forehead), + thoughts about a forehead, right?

Yes

So, can a thought come from a sensation?

No

Can a thought come from a mental image?

No

Can a thought come from a thought?

No, none of these knows anything about them self or even have the knowledge to cause for anything else. All of these can only appear.They don't know on what they are appearing on, or what causes them to appear.

What are the eyes in the actual experience?
A sensation + mental image + thought about eyes, right?

Yep

Can sight come from a sensation?

No, nothing can come from something that don't know anything about it self.

Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?

the eyes are 'sensationimagethought', and out of this, sight can not come.

Can sight come from thought?

No

Can a 'mental image' come from a sensation?

No

Can a 'mental image' come from another mental image (of the eyes)?

No (this is like the other question before if a thought can come from a thought)

Can a 'mental image' come from a thought?

No

I want to say Kay, that all of these are 'best' expressed appearing 'simultaneously'. Because they have nothing in common with each other, they appear but they have zero knowledge about anything. Mental image knows nothing of thought, sight knows nothing about image etc.

Much love <3
Hesam

Hello Hesam,

Yes! So it is clearly seen that thought does not come from sensation and sensation does not come from thought, that they seemingly appear 'simultaneously'?

Yes exactly, the word 'simultaneously' expresses it good.

Great :)

What is the forehead in the actual experience?
A sensation + a mental image (of a forehead), + thoughts about a forehead, right?

Can a thought come from a thought?

No, none of these knows anything about them self or even have the knowledge to cause for anything else. All of these can only appear.They don't know on what they are appearing on, or what causes them to appear.

Terrific!
So, do thoughts come from the forehead?
Does ‘thinking’ happen in a ‘head’ or are there only thoughts ABOUT thinking and thoughts happening in a head and forehead?

What are the eyes in the actual experience?
A sensation + mental image + thought about eyes, right?

Can sight come from an image (of the eyes)?

the eyes are 'sensationimagethought', and out of this, sight can not come.

Yes, lovely!
So, what is the difference between a mental image and a visual image?
Is there an ‘inside of the head’ and an ‘outside of the head’?

I want to say Kay, that all of these are 'best' expressed appearing 'simultaneously'. Because they have nothing in common with each other, they appear but they have zero knowledge about anything. Mental image knows nothing of thought, sight knows nothing about image etc.

Yes, exactly!

Love, Kay
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Hey Kay :)

So, do thoughts come from the forehead?

No, 'forehead' is 'sensationimage', no thought can come out if it.

Does ‘thinking’ happen in a ‘head’ or are there only thoughts ABOUT thinking and thoughts happening in a head and forehead?

No, thinking does not happen in the 'head', there is only thought ABOUT thinking happening in what thought also labels 'forehead' or 'head'.

So, what is the difference between a mental image and a visual image?

No difference, there are both labels which appears in thought (thought separates mental images as something coming from the 'forehead', and thought also separates that visual images comes from 'the eyes'. But both the 'forehead' and 'the eyes' are not capable of producing anything.

Is there an ‘inside of the head’ and an ‘outside of the head’?

No, only thought ABOUT something being inside or outside the 'head'.

Wish you a good day Kay <3

Much love,
Hesam

Hi Hesam,

So, how are you now feeling about the exploration…do you feel you are back on track?

So, do thoughts come from the forehead?

No, thinking does not happen in the 'head', there is only thought ABOUT thinking happening in what thought also labels 'forehead' or 'head'.

Yes, just like there is no “me’, only label/ thoughts ABOUT a “me”!

So, what is the difference between a mental image and a visual image?

No difference, there are both labels which appears in thought (thought separates mental images as something coming from the 'forehead', and thought also separates that visual images comes from 'the eyes'. But both the 'forehead' and 'the eyes' are not capable of producing anything.

Okay, so now look at this a little deeper. Since there is no 'inside or outside of head', and 'mental images' do not come from the head/forehead and 'visual images' do not come from the eyes…is there a difference between a ‘mental image’ and a ‘visual image’, or are they both AE of colour?

So, to date we have looked at what AE is. We have looked at thought and what they are, and we have looked at the idea that thoughts and mental images come from head/forehead, and that images come from the eyes.

Do you have any questions at all about any of this?

Much love,
Kay
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Good morning Kay :)

So, how are you now feeling about the exploration…do you feel you are back on track?

Yes i do Kay, thank you very much! It was much more 'simple' that i thought. I was overTHINKING and not LOOKING at the questions, so got all over the place instead. But now it is good :)

Yes, just like there is no “me’, only label/ thoughts ABOUT a “me”!

Yes I see it Kay! :)

Okay, so now look at this a little deeper. Since there is no 'inside or outside of head', and 'mental images' do not come from the head/forehead and 'visual images' do not come from the eyes…is there a difference between a ‘mental image’ and a ‘visual image’, or are they both AE of colour?

They are both AE of colour.

Do you have any questions at all about any of this?

No, no questions Kay :). All of the areas we looked at makes so much sense now, and with that has brought a lot of peace. I have no questions now about them. (My questions would probably be outside this exploration :P)

Thank you so much for everything so far Kay <3
Much love
Hesam

Hi Hesam,

Yes i do Kay, thank you very much! It was much more 'simple' that i thought. I was overTHINKING and not LOOKING at the questions, so got all over the place instead. But now it is good :)

Glad to hear it! :)

Okay, so now look at this a little deeper. Since there is no 'inside or outside of head', and 'mental images' do not come from the head/forehead and 'visual images' do not come from the eyes…is there a difference between a ‘mental image’ and a ‘visual image’, or are they both AE of colour?

They are both AE of colour.

Yes! So is there any difference between a night time dream and ‘day to day life’, or are they both appearances of colour + thoughts about what night time dream is and what 'day to day life' is? Can 'night time dream' and 'day to day life' be found in actual experience?

No, no questions Kay :). All of the areas we looked at makes so much sense now, and with that has brought a lot of peace. I have no questions now about them. (My questions would probably be outside this exploration :P)

Well ask the questions, and if they are outside the realms of this exploration I will let you know. And if they are, that is okay, we can look at them later on, and some of them will probably be answered as we move along in this exploration! :)

Okay, so you have seen that there is no one that there is no thinker or controller of thought…so let’s take that a little further.

1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.
Watch like a hawk.

Don't go to thoughts, examine the actual experience. Do this as many times as you like, and each time inquire…

How is the movement controlled?
Does a thought control it?
Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?
How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.
Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

Much love, Kay
xx

Hi Kay :)

Yes! So is there any difference between a night time dream and ‘day to day life’, or are they both appearances of colour + thoughts about what night time dream is and what 'day to day life' is? Can 'night time dream' and 'day to day life' be found in actual experience?

There is no difference between the two. 'Night time dream' and 'day to day life' can be found as thought and also as colour in actual experience. But they are just that, Labels from thought and colour from colour that is appearing in THIS.

Well ask the questions, and if they are outside the realms of this exploration I will let you know. And if they are, that is okay, we can look at them later on, and some of them will probably be answered as we move along in this exploration! :)

Thank you Kay :), well some of my questions are 'stupid' I feel, cause I can see that it is just the thoughts and the self identification who causes for them, but I have this question on other people, when looking at them, what is the AE of another person? Is it 'soundimagesensationthought'?. Sometimes when looking at other people I feel like they are just 'robots' almost, ,from LOOKING at them I see there is no other, just THIS, and it kind of feels 'wierd'. I can sometimes laugh at how everyone is self identifying all the time, (even I am self identifying when looking at them and thinking that haha). Funny how life is!

Okay, so you have seen that there is no one that there is no thinker or controller of thought…so let’s take that a little further.
1. Hold a hand in front of you; palm turned down.
2. Now turn the palm up. And down...and up and so on.
Watch like a hawk.

How is the movement controlled?

It is just an movement appearing as colour/image, no clue on what is controlling the movement.

Does a thought control it?

No, it is just appearing (the movement), no thought.(thoughts can't control anything)

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

When LOOKING, no there is no controller, just image/colour. (When letting thought take over, all the labeling begins, hand, me, palm up, palm down etc.)

How is the decision made to turn the hand over? Track any decision point when a thought MADE THE DECISION to turn the hand over and the hand turns over immediately.

There is no decision behind it, the movement is happening when its happening, there is no way to for see when the hand is going to go palm up or palm down. The movement happens when it happens.
(I did just as a test where i said: 'turn, turn, turn, turn, turn", just to see on what 'decision point' I would turn, but how do I know when I actually turn. There is no way to know, it just happens.)

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

No, there is no I controlling it's own movement, the movement is appearing in THIS, and happening in the 'perfect moment' that can not be for seen, because it happens at the 'right time'. You understand my point? :)

Much love !
Hesam

Hello Hesam :)

Yes! So is there any difference between a night time dream and ‘day to day life’, or are they both appearances of colour + thoughts about what night time dream is and what 'day to day life' is? Can 'night time dream' and 'day to day life' be found in actual experience?

There is no difference between the two. 'Night time dream' and 'day to day life' can be found as thought and also as colour in actual experience. But they are just that, Labels from thought and colour from colour that is appearing in THIS.

Yes…colourthought appearing in/as THIS! :) There is thought about a person going to sleep and dreaming, and there is thought about a person waking up from a sleep. The idea you're a person that falls asleep, dreams and then wakes up, is just part of this 'current dream' that no person is dreaming, and no person could/need ever wake up from, as nothing is asleep.

Well ask the questions, and if they are outside the realms of this exploration I will let you know. And if they are, that is okay, we can look at them later on, and some of them will probably be answered as we move along in this exploration! :)

Thank you Kay :), well some of my questions are 'stupid' I feel, cause I can see that it is just the thoughts and the self identification who causes for them, but I have this question on other people, when looking at them, what is the AE of another person? Is it 'soundimagesensationthought'?. Sometimes when looking at other people I feel like they are just 'robots' almost, ,from LOOKING at them I see there is no other, just THIS, and it kind of feels 'wierd'. I can sometimes laugh at how everyone is self identifying all the time, (even I am self identifying when looking at them and thinking that haha). Funny how life is!

Nice LOOKING, Hesam! And yes, you are right! And yes, laughter appears when self-identification is noticed! :)

Have a look at this picture.



That's got to be Albert Einstein, right?

Is there really an Albert Einstein, or what is actually present is colourthought? Notice how thought says that there are eyes, a tongue, nose, moustache and so on and notice how thought is doing this with ‘everything’. If there were no thought, would there even seem to be any ‘things’?

How is the movement controlled?

It is just an movement appearing as colour/image, no clue on what is controlling the movement.

Great! So let’s take even this one step further. Close your eyes and turn the palm up and down. Is there really ‘movement’? What is the actual experience?

Can a ‘controller’ of any description be located?

When LOOKING, no there is no controller, just image/colour. (When letting thought take over, all the labeling begins, hand, me, palm up, palm down etc.)

Yes, thought is a great story teller, although thought can’t tell stories either! ;)

Can you find a separate individual or anything that is choosing when to turn the palm up or down?

No, there is no I controlling it's own movement, the movement is appearing in THIS, and happening in the 'perfect moment' that can not be for seen, because it happens at the 'right time'. You understand my point? :)

Yes, it happens when it happens and it SEEMS that is happens when it is needed to happen! :)

So it was clearly seen that there is no controller? Since there is no one/no thing that is controlling the turning of the palm, is there anyone/anything that is controlling anything at all?

The aim of the following exercise is to discover whether the function of choice can really be found or confirmed in actual experience. The idea of making ‘choices‘ is a very clear example of a function that we wrongly identify as the basis of our identity.

Here's what’s needed - A chair, a table and two different drinks. Any two drinks you like are okay for this: coffee, tea, milk, water, juices, smoothies, beer, wine, etc.

Preparation - Place the two drinks side by side on the table in front of you, sit comfortably on the chair and mentally label them as drink A and drink B.

Experiment - Finding the function of choice

Sit for a few moments, take a few relaxed breaths and let the dust settle. When you feel ready:

1. Look at drink A and at drink B. Think about their respective qualities, the things you like about them, compare and weigh the pros and cons of each. See if a preference is manifesting for one or the other.
2. Count to 5.
3. Choose one of the drinks. Pick it up and take a sip.

Questions:
Remember that we’re looking for some kind of function, a something, an ‘I’ which is doing the ‘choosing’.

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

Much love, Kay
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Hey Kay <3

Yes…colourthought appearing in/as THIS! :) There is thought about a person going to sleep and dreaming, and there is thought about a person waking up from a sleep. The idea you're a person that falls asleep, dreams and then wakes up, is just part of this 'current dream' that no person is dreaming, and no person could/need ever wake up from, as nothing is asleep.

This is such a relief to finally see now, haha :)

That's got to be Albert Einstein, right?

Yes :)

Is there really an Albert Einstein, or what is actually present is colourthought? Notice how thought says that there are eyes, a tongue, nose, moustache and so on and notice how thought is doing this with ‘everything’. If there were no thought, would there even seem to be any ‘things’?

I see what you mean Kay. If there was no label 'albert einstein'. then the thoughts would just say 'human', removing that label, thoughts would say 'eyes, nose, a tounge' etc. removing those labels as well thought problably would say 'black, white' etc.. but there is just AE which is 'colourthought'. :)

Great! So let’s take even this one step further. Close your eyes and turn the palm up and down. Is there really ‘movement’? What is the actual experience?

There is just AE of sensation.

Yes, thought is a great story teller, although thought can’t tell stories either! ;)

Haha yes yes you are correct, just meaning that when allowing thoughts to 'take over' the whole identification starts with everything around. :), they can't tell stories but they sure try, LOL :D

Yes, it happens when it happens and it SEEMS that is happens when it is needed to happen! :)

Yes exactly! That is a very good way to put it. The "I" attaches to the "Oh it is happening to ME because this and that", rather than seeing that what IS, is 'appearing when it is appearing'. Nothing more to it than that.

So it was clearly seen that there is no controller? Since there is no one/no thing that is controlling the turning of the palm, is there anyone/anything that is controlling anything at all?

Yes, there is no controller. I do see however how hard the illusion of 'I' is trying to grab the credit for the actions. No there is nothing controlling, 'anyone/anything' is pointing to there being something else, which there is not, just THIS. :)

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

When looking at drink A and B, labels/thoughts just appeared by them self. I had no choosing in the preferences (it went kind of fast back and forth between which one was the 'best'), they also appeared like the thoughts did.

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

There is the belief that 'I' was following steps, an 'I" that was directed in the exercise to count in step 2. But it was not my choosing if the counting would overlap the preferences or the other way around.
I can see that the 'I' is saying "I choose too overlap the preferences by counting, cause I was directing thought/focus to it', but taking a step back and just observing, I see that there is just a event like many others that happens where the self identification makes the attachment, and thinks that the 'actions of Hesam' is what made for exampel: 'Hesam' take a right turn here, or choosing 'counting' before ' thoughts'.

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

The thoughts went the other way, rather than saying "I am choosing drink A", thoughts appeared that "I am clueless in which one who is going to be chosen", and when counting was done, the right arm just grabbed drink B. "the chooser" arise, in many ways, during the choosing, during the counting but I was not attached to it, I was just observing the 'I'. I did not feel as if I was choosing anything, I was just watching it happen and watching the stream of thoughts appearing.

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

'Feeling' is just a label from thought, which knows nothing, same goes for 'choose' so these two don't know about them self or about each other. But I can see how the 'feeling' or 'gut feeling' or what calls, is attached to the thought of 'I", which wants to connect the two.

I am using a lot if the word: I and also 'I'.. I hope that you see what I mean when typing like that in my broken English sentences haha :)

Much love!
Hesam

Hello Hesam! <3

Yes…colourthought appearing in/as THIS! :) There is thought about a person going to sleep and dreaming, and there is thought about a person waking up from a sleep. The idea you're a person that falls asleep, dreams and then wakes up, is just part of this 'current dream' that no person is dreaming, and no person could/need ever wake up from, as nothing is asleep.

This is such a relief to finally see now, haha :)

Great! :) Glad that this has been seen clearly!

Is there really an Albert Einstein, or what is actually present is colourthought? Notice how thought says that there are eyes, a tongue, nose, moustache and so on and notice how thought is doing this with ‘everything’. If there were no thought, would there even seem to be any ‘things’?

I see what you mean Kay. If there was no label 'albert einstein'. then the thoughts would just say 'human', removing that label, thoughts would say 'eyes, nose, a tounge' etc. removing those labels as well thought problably would say 'black, white' etc.. but there is just AE which is 'colourthought'. :)

Yes! So does that answer your questions about ‘others’? Since ‘Hesam’ is an appearance of/as colour thoughtsmellsensationtastesound, then would there be ‘others’?

Great! So let’s take even this one step further. Close your eyes and turn the palm up and down. Is there really ‘movement’? What is the actual experience?

There is just AE of sensation.

So then, is there any actual ‘turning of the palm’?

Yes, thought is a great story teller, although thought can’t tell stories either! ;)

Haha yes yes you are correct, just meaning that when allowing thoughts to 'take over' the whole identification starts with everything around. :), they can't tell stories but they sure try, LOL :D

Isn’t it all just quite amazing how the dream/THIS appears! I find it quite wonderous!

Yes, it happens when it happens and it SEEMS that is happens when it is needed to happen! :)

Yes exactly! That is a very good way to put it. The "I" attaches to the "Oh it is happening to ME because this and that", rather than seeing that what IS, is 'appearing when it is appearing'. Nothing more to it than that.

Nicely put, Hesam! :)

So it was clearly seen that there is no controller? Since there is no one/no thing that is controlling the turning of the palm, is there anyone/anything that is controlling anything at all?

Yes, there is no controller. I do see however how hard the illusion of 'I' is trying to grab the credit for the actions. No there is nothing controlling, 'anyone/anything' is pointing to there being something else, which there is not, just THIS. :)

So is there anyone that is responsible for anything that does or doesn’t happen or for anything at all?

In step 1 when thinking about their respective qualities, did you ‘choose’ the qualities? Or did they kind of appear by themselves? If some preferences manifested, did you ‘choose’ these preferences? Or did they just pop up by themselves?

When looking at drink A and B, labels/thoughts just appeared by them self. I had no choosing in the preferences (it went kind of fast back and forth between which one was the 'best'), they also appeared like the thoughts did.

Thought will say: “I prefer this drink to that one because my mum used to make this for me when I was a child” as a means for reasoning to why there are preferences. But is there an actual experience of “drinking chocolate as a child”?

In step 2 when you counted to 5, if the preferences took the back seat while the numbers took the front seat, did you ‘choose’ this sequence of event? Did you ‘choose’ to shut down the preferences to give way to the counting? Did you directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Have you seen this function in action?

There is the belief that 'I' was following steps, an 'I" that was directed in the exercise to count in step 2. But it was not my choosing if the counting would overlap the preferences or the other way around.
I can see that the 'I' is saying "I choose too overlap the preferences by counting, cause I was directing thought/focus to it', but taking a step back and just observing, I see that there is just a event like many others that happens where the self identification makes the attachment, and thinks that the 'actions of Hesam' is what made for exampel: 'Hesam' take a right turn here, or choosing 'counting' before ' thoughts'.

Nice noticing and looking!

In step 3 where you made a choice, did you actually witness or directly experience a mental function or faculty doing the ‘choosing’? Did anything arise that announced, ‘I am the chooser’? If so, what does this function look like?

The thoughts went the other way, rather than saying "I am choosing drink A", thoughts appeared that "I am clueless in which one who is going to be chosen", and when counting was done, the right arm just grabbed drink B. "the chooser" arise, in many ways, during the choosing, during the counting but I was not attached to it, I was just observing the 'I'. I did not feel as if I was choosing anything, I was just watching it happen and watching the stream of thoughts appearing.

Terrific! So it is clearly seen that there is no ‘chooser’ or ‘decider’ of any kind, any where?

Sometimes we describe this sense of choosing as a ‘feeling’: It feels like ‘I’ did the ‘choosing’. But the question is, can a feeling ‘choose’? Is it in the nature of a feeling to ‘choose’?

'Feeling' is just a label from thought, which knows nothing, same goes for 'choose' so these two don't know about them self or about each other. But I can see how the 'feeling' or 'gut feeling' or what calls, is attached to the thought of 'I", which wants to connect the two.

Good!

I am using a lot if the word: I and also 'I'.. I hope that you see what I mean when typing like that in my broken English sentences haha :)

That’s okay, I can see that it is being used to communicate and not as a self referencing agent! :)

Ok let’s continue. Although you see that there is no ‘chooser’ and that you are just observing and watching it happen, and watching the stream of thoughts appearing etc, There still is a feeling of identification, of doership....right? We’ll do a little exercise on this topic. It has to do with the sense of seeing.

All you’ll need is to sit for a few moments in a relatively calm place.

Take a few relaxed breaths to let the dust settle for a while, and then:
Look on your right.
Then look on your left.
Finally, bring your head back to centre, close your eyes and look in front.

Here’s the thing:
When you look on the right, the view on the right is seen (whatever that is).
When you look on the left, the view on the left is seen (whatever that is).
And then, when you look in front of you with eyes closed, the view in front is seen (I’ll describe it as a kind of black space).
Note that even though your eyes are closed, what you see is undefined, it is untrue to say that you see nothing. You are indeed seeing ‘something’ (the black space).

Do you agree? If yes, please answer the following:

Tell me:
When the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or a blank sky if you close your eyes. No. my question is can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?
Same thing with the view on the left, can you NOT see the view on the left?
Same thing with the view in front with closed eyes, can you NOT see the blank sky?
Can you turn off seeing?
Last question, in this whole exercise, what did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

Much love,
Kay xx

Hey Kay :)

Sorry I haven't replied, I came down with a high fever yesterday.
Also i am planning on going away over the weekends with friends (typical to get sick right before :P ), so wont have access to a computer, I will try and answer via the cellphone if possible. I hope that is OK.

Have a good day Kay! <3

Much Love
Hesam

Get better Hesam! Reply when you can :)

Love, Kay
xx

Dearest Kay <3

I am back, I will continue to answer the questions, I also need to leave a PM in your inbox with something, please read that.

Much love to you Kay

Hi Kay :)

Yes! So does that answer your questions about ‘others’? Since ‘Hesam’ is an appearance of/as colour thoughtsmellsensationtastesound, then would there be ‘others’?

Yes it answers my question :), there is no 'others'.

So then, is there any actual ‘turning of the palm’?

No

Isn’t it all just quite amazing how the dream/THIS appears! I find it quite wonderous!

Hehe yes it is truly amazing!

So is there anyone that is responsible for anything that does or doesn’t happen or for anything at all?

No, there is no responsibility in what IS, it is just happening for the reason it is happening. It happens because it happens. (or not happening because of it not happening.) There is no underlying agenda for the action to be questioned, it just IS.

Thought will say: “I prefer this drink to that one because my mum used to make this for me when I was a child” as a means for reasoning to why there are preferences. But is there an actual experience of “drinking chocolate as a child”?

Only thought who 'thinks' that something has happen, no actual experience can be found in the "drinking chocolate as a child".

Terrific! So it is clearly seen that there is no ‘chooser’ or ‘decider’ of any kind, any where?

Yes it is very clear :).

Do you agree? If yes, please answer the following:

I agree

When the view on the right is seen, do you have the ‘choice’ not to see? I’m not asking can you ‘choose’ to see something else like another view or a blank sky if you close your eyes. No. my question is can you turn seeing off? Can you NOT see what is seen?

No, whatever is on the right side is what is, actual experience appears as colour/image. Seeing can not be turned off, Actual experience can not be turned off (or turned on). It is just THERE always.

Same thing with the view on the left, can you NOT see the view on the left?

No, colour/image appears here as well.

Same thing with the view in front with closed eyes, can you NOT see the blank sky?

Same here, 'appearance' is appearing.

Can you turn off seeing?

No, however there can be 'turning off' the self attachment to what is being seen, and the belief that there is a individual choosing in what to see and what to not see. What I mean to say is that, looking behind the self attachment, I see that colour is appearing, there is no one it is appearing to, it's just appearing and thought is saying 'it is appearing to ME'.

Last question, in this whole exercise, what did the 'chooser' choose? Did a 'self' choose something?

Nothing, there is the belief that the 'chooser' chose to look first to the right and then left, and then close eyes and see blank, but no choosing has been done to anyone. 'Actions' has appeared in what IS.

Much love !
Hesam