Need to be pushed over the edge

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Silatigi
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Re: Need to be pushed over the edge

Postby Silatigi » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:27 pm

Hi Fred,
These are just to make sure we’ve covered all areas.
Cool, looks like these questions where useful !! VERY useful.
Thanks again for pointing out at the illusion. Thank you so much man !!!
What does this mean? What self? What do you see that feels happy, gets nice feelings, claims to be looking at it?
There is looking happening, there is hearing happening. There are pleasant sensations arising.
That's all there is in direct experience.
The self comes along as a memory/image of past good feelings associated with the object "phone".
So there has been a "correlation" in memory of Object and Good feeling.
So that if Object is lost then the thinking thinks that Good feeling will get reduced.
It happens that when this thought is thought a feeling of sadness also occurs.

Ahah this is driving "me" nuts.
What do you mean here? What is this ‘I’ that arises? Can it trigger anything? Is that cause and effect inferred or actually experienced?
As explained above there is simultaneity of thought of lost and feeling of sadness. Cause and effect inferred because they occur at the same time. Actual experience is thinking + perception of sadness/upset emotion (perceived in the "body")

What ‘we’ could possess? Is there a ‘me’ that can’t possess or is there no ‘me’ that could possess anything?
Possession is a thought. A relationship appearing in thought linking different perceived fields (thanks to contrast) of seeing, hearing, touching...

Are ‘you’ this ‘observer’?
Observation occurs. There is no "me" to which it happens to.

Again could you expand here? Is there an ‘I’ that does or thinks?
There is doing by the body. There are thought appearing. No "I" to be seen.
What ‘I’ sees what ‘I’ is doing? What ‘I’ can choose to be with THIS or not?
!!!!!!!! Thank you so much for the precision of this question !!!!!!!!!
Keeping this question in mind is like a dive into the abyss.

THERE IS NO "I" AT ALL WHATSOEVER. Nothing can choose anything (saying/thinking this "pierces" my heart almost push me deeper I was still attached to this idea, still had some illusion of control, looks like it is now seen as a punch in my face. There is NO "I" AT ALL. Renversant. Litteraly. Fear arises. No foothold. Ca fait flipper. So nothing can choose anything. Want to cry now. That's hard to accept. Really needed someone to point that. C'est dur a accepter, ca fait mal)
What do you SEE that can respond to events? Is that separate from the event?
Can ‘you’ decide to be in the NOW, and do what’s right?
Cannot SEE anything there. There are things unfolding. That's it.
Nothing can "do" what's "right".
Forget whether ‘I’ feels responsible… is there an ‘I’ to be responsible?
NO NO NO NO NO.
Can't see it, can't feel it. There IS NO such "I".
Could you expand on this too? What ‘I’ can claim these things? What ‘me’ gets THIS presented to it?
No "I" can claim this. There is just THIS.
Breathing is still breathing though. Not dead yet it seems ;)


Thanks!!

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Re: Need to be pushed over the edge

Postby Silatigi » Wed Mar 30, 2016 6:33 pm

And finally, what is it that sees through the separate self?
Nothing "sees" through the separate self.
Experiences are experienced.
They unfold.
Direct experiences.
That's all there is.

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Re: Need to be pushed over the edge

Postby Freddi » Thu Mar 31, 2016 6:02 am

Hi Sil
I have no more questions, neither do other guides ... I'll send you a pm about what comes next. Check your inbox!
Bye for now
Fred
"To come to your senses you have to go out of your mind" - Alan Watts

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Re: Need to be pushed over the edge

Postby Silatigi » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:07 am

Hi Fred,

Thanks a mil for your patience and help with the details of the "looking"!!
Feel nice to be here... and now :)

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Sil


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