I'm ready to investigate

[vinceschubert]

The thought process of focussing is like looking at the sensation of the feeling as if it were and object outside. Like i'm looking from a point in my head and the feeling is somewhere down in my belly. So i look in all the areas of the feeling to feel it as much as possible.

Hmm, you say "the thought process of ...." and then go on to tell me about feelings and looking.
Have another go and tell me what thoughts come up when you consider being liberated.

[Antony]

My experience of focussing is that there is an object in mind to be able to focus on. So it's like a static thought image. There don't seem to be any verbal thoughts there but the mind is constructing images about the object of feeling.

When i think of being liberated i imagine deep rest and peace and a release from self concern. That i won't care what people think of me so i will feel free.

[vinceschubert]

the mind is constructing images about the object of feeling.

Ah! got you!
Your mind constructs images, not words, is that right ?
How does the mind construct these things?

[Antony]

Blimey. I have no idea how it does that.
It makes a very good guess at what it imagines is going on. It feels very real

[vinceschubert]

Ok, think about being liberated and watch what happens.
See if you can see from where it emerges. What is the source of this construction.

[Antony]

It's like i can't think about being liberated now. Like it doesn't mean anything. I can't construct those thoughts or find them. I can't find a source of thoughts. They've already emerged. I'm only aware once they're there

[vinceschubert]

I can't construct those thoughts or find them. I can't find a source of thoughts. They've already emerged. I'm only aware once they're there

So they are not something you do ?
They just occur. Is that right ?

[Antony]

I guess so. I mean i feel like i can stop them.... or is that just another thought?..... Yes it is. It's like even the looking is another thought. Just really subtle and not verbal.
I have no idea how they occur. It's like they're too fast for me to see.

[vinceschubert]

It's like they're too fast for me to see.

Is it possible that these thoughts have built a complete character with likes and dislikes and personality ?
Is it possible that this character has a label that says Antony?
Is it possible that the only you that ever existed was a character in a story that was scripted by thoughts ?
Answer every question.

[Antony]

Is it possible that these thoughts have built a complete character with likes and dislikes and personality ?

Yes it is possible I mean why not but i have no idea how that would happen. I see that the 'me' is a thought.

Is it possible that this character has a label that says Antony?

I guess it is possible but i don't really see it.

Is it possible that the only you that ever existed was a character in a story that was scripted by thoughts ?

I kinda see this so yes.

[vinceschubert]

LOOK Antony, Look hard!
Is there a you to be found anywhere ?
Was there ever a you anywhere except in the story ?
Don't think about it ! LOOK !
See if you can find any evidence of a you that isn't in that story.

[Antony]

Is there a you to be found anywhere ?

Only as a thought

Was there ever a you anywhere except in the story ?

No. I have to think for there to be a me

See if you can find any evidence of a you that isn't in that story.

There isn't any evidence of a me outside of thinking.

It's all very subtle

[vinceschubert]

Ok, when i ask the next question, you are going to be flooded with emotion. Just notice the process.
Watch the thoughts go crazy looking for excuses to stop this whole thing.
You are about to commit murder.
You are going to murder a False Belief.
...now watch the thoughts,









How does it feel to be liberated ?

[Antony]

Something happened. It felt like i went crazy and then like i had some kind of orgasm. I feel like i stopped it at some point. I feel shaken

[vinceschubert]

It is impossible to imagine how this will unfold for you.
You are unique.
Everything that has occurred in your life has let you to this point.
Nobody else has ever had that particular combination of history, so your liberation will be as unique as the mind/body you call Antony.
The story goes on. The story of Antony goes on. BUT now you know that it is just the result of thoughts. Just a concept. It is like watching a movie about someone else. The story that is.
It will amuse you.
Wisdom will come, or rather Wisdom will be what remains when the camouflage of the story is removed.
Your expectations will try to reassert themselves. Thought wont stop.
But it doesn't matter as they now have no control as there is no you to control.
Keep Looking... Develop skill in looking.

Now Antonhy, answer me this;
How would you explain this 'no you' thing to someone who had never heard about it ?